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« Reply #30 on: May 18th, 2015, 08:05am »

on May 18th, 2015, 07:54am, John Wilkinson wrote:
I just listen to my own version of Abacab which includes

Paperlate
You Might Recall
Naminau
Submarine....

Of course I removed Another Record to make room wink

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« Reply #31 on: May 18th, 2015, 09:03am »

on May 18th, 2015, 07:54am, John Wilkinson wrote:
I just listen to my own version of Abacab which includes

Paperlate
You Might Recall
Naminau
Submarine....

Of course I removed Another Record to make room wink

Best wishes

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you need one of those 5 disc autochanger CD players, then you could have 4 other records at the same time! wink
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« Reply #32 on: May 18th, 2015, 09:32am »

on May 18th, 2015, 08:05am, Merryman72 wrote:
No need to remove anything to make room! Shove it all on, that's what I do! tongue cool

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« Reply #33 on: May 18th, 2015, 09:35am »

I've got Abacab Complete, which contains all the tracks from the sessions, and does get a regular airing.

There was certainly a proggier version of the album in amongst that session's recordings.
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« Reply #34 on: May 18th, 2015, 3:57pm »

on May 18th, 2015, 09:35am, TonyEdwards wrote:
I've got Abacab Complete, which contains all the tracks from the sessions, and does get a regular airing.

There was certainly a proggier version of the album in amongst that session's recordings.


Indeed. Especially when seguing all those missing songs together as we did for the Abacab Complete boot...
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« Reply #35 on: May 19th, 2015, 02:20am »

Apologies if you’ve already listed this somewhere else on the forum but what is your track listing for “Abacab Complete”? I find Abacab works best for me after some editing too, so I’d be interested to try out your version.
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« Reply #36 on: May 19th, 2015, 04:02am »

on May 16th, 2015, 7:42pm, NoSonOfVine wrote:
I think the majority of the music on Abacab is decent, but I still find the album overall perfunctory and at times lackadaisical. Even Dodo/Lurker, which is an okay song, lacks magic and warmth. That's the sad thing about Abacab in my opinion. It was a half-hearted effort.


It feels thrown together to me. While individual songs might be good I don’t think they hang together very well as an album. It just feels like a compilation of songs that sort of fizzles out at the end. It is also the first album of theirs that feels that way to me, most of the rest have linked themes or an overall sound that pulls them together and gives them a sense of flow from a start to a conclusion.
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« Reply #37 on: May 19th, 2015, 04:57am »

on May 19th, 2015, 02:20am, MartinH wrote:
Apologies if you’ve already listed this somewhere else on the forum but what is your track listing for “Abacab Complete”? I find Abacab works best for me after some editing too, so I’d be interested to try out your version.


1.1 Abacab 07:06
1.2 Jangley (You Might Recall) 05:36
1.3 Nationwide (No Reply At All) 04:47
1.4 German I & II (Dodo/Lurker) 07:28
1.5 Sub (Submarine) 04:21
1.6 Vocal 3/4 (Naminanu) 03:55
1.7 Chunkey (Me & Virgil) 06:24
1.8 Odd (Keep It Dark) 04:36
1.9 Spike (Me & Sarah Jane) 06:02
1.10 Westside (Another Record) 04:42
1.11 Wierdsynth (Who Dunnit?) 03:41
1.12 Lonely Man (Man On The Corner) 04:30
1.13 Don (Like It Or Not) 05:00
1.14 Paperlate 03:39
1.15 Abacab Single Version 04:19

Available from The Movement torrent site
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« Reply #38 on: May 19th, 2015, 05:39am »

on May 19th, 2015, 04:57am, Andrew Yild4Genesis wrote:
1.1 Abacab 07:06
1.2 Jangley (You Might Recall) 05:36
1.3 Nationwide (No Reply At All) 04:47
1.4 German I & II (Dodo/Lurker) 07:28
1.5 Sub (Submarine) 04:21
1.6 Vocal 3/4 (Naminanu) 03:55
1.7 Chunkey (Me & Virgil) 06:24
1.8 Odd (Keep It Dark) 04:36
1.9 Spike (Me & Sarah Jane) 06:02
1.10 Westside (Another Record) 04:42
1.11 Wierdsynth (Who Dunnit?) 03:41
1.12 Lonely Man (Man On The Corner) 04:30
1.13 Don (Like It Or Not) 05:00
1.14 Paperlate 03:39
1.15 Abacab Single Version 04:19

Available from The Movement torrent site



I know this has been debated but I never got an answer : was Dodo/ Lurker initially linked to Submarine as part of one single long song or was it just a Genesis fan fantasy?
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« Reply #39 on: May 19th, 2015, 05:59am »

Urban myth says it was. rolleyes

The last chord of Lurker and the first of Submarine are the same and if you manage to link them up via clever software (as someone has done on You Tube) it moves very nicely from one to the next.

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« Reply #40 on: May 19th, 2015, 09:36am »

on May 19th, 2015, 05:39am, somsom wrote:
I know this has been debated but I never got an answer : was Dodo/ Lurker initially linked to Submarine as part of one single long song or was it just a Genesis fan fantasy?


I really think so, as they flow so well into each other with the same drumbeat. I like it, but I can see why they didn't try to release it like that.

It is less clear to me whether "Naminanu" had anything to do with it. The bits without the singing/chanting in "Naminanu" are quite similar to the intro part of "Dodo", and when I link the end of "Naminanu" to the beginning of "Dodo" with one of the drum fills from those bits it works quite well. So I think in terms of the writing process they may have had the same genesis (haha) but whether "Naminanu" was planned all along to be part of a long suite or was quickly adapted into its own thing (a la "Invisible Touch" from "Domino") I don't know, but I suspect the latter.
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« Reply #41 on: May 19th, 2015, 11:02am »

on May 19th, 2015, 09:36am, Merryman72 wrote:
I really think so, as they flow so well into each other with the same drumbeat. I like it, but I can see why they didn't try to release it like that.

It is less clear to me whether "Naminanu" had anything to do with it. The bits without the singing/chanting in "Naminanu" are quite similar to the intro part of "Dodo", and when I link the end of "Naminanu" to the beginning of "Dodo" with one of the drum fills from those bits it works quite well. So I think in terms of the writing process they may have had the same genesis (haha) but whether "Naminanu" was planned all along to be part of a long suite or was quickly adapted into its own thing (a la "Invisible Touch" from "Domino") I don't know, but I suspect the latter.



Thank you for your reply. I think it is the beauty of artistic work : there is nothing mathematical or automatic to it. You can take things out of their context and create something entirely new or keep things together and explore how far your inspiration will let you go. And these guys were certainly great artists...
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« Reply #42 on: May 20th, 2015, 05:36am »

I'm totally lost. Beginning with "Jangley," I have no idea what you people are talking about.
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« Reply #43 on: May 20th, 2015, 06:53am »

on May 20th, 2015, 05:36am, Dust wrote:
I'm totally lost. Beginning with "Jangley," I have no idea what you people are talking about.

The odd names like "Jangley" were working titles for the songs whose final titles follow those names in parentheses.
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« Reply #44 on: May 20th, 2015, 07:19am »

on May 20th, 2015, 05:36am, Dust wrote:
I'm totally lost. Beginning with "Jangley," I have no idea what you people are talking about.

We're discussing the unusual structure of the Abacab album and the other songs made in the album's sessions, the ways in which the songs can be linked together, and what could have been done to improve the album.

Naminanu/Dodo/Lurker/Submarine sounds really intriguing. A shame they didn't make that into one big track for the second side. undecided
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