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« Reply #15 on: Nov 13th, 2017, 5:56pm »

on Nov 13th, 2017, 11:42am, Fabrizio wrote:
I don't know if Fading Lights is overrated, Personally, I think is one of the few memorable moments on that album, whereas LF is imo correctly rated, I know some fans like it but generally speaking, I think it left no trace. There's not much 'meat' to it imo.
I love Epping Forest but I can totally see why the band was unhappy with it, it is extremely busy and while I enjoy some moments, I agree that more could have been achieved by doing less, particularly in the vocals department.
Robbery is nice too, it just suffers a bit because with Trick is probably the weakest track on the album but far from being a filler imo. It's just the the other 6 songs are very strong.
I never truly could warm up to Mouse, Tony would have needed a bit of check and balance there imo. The melody is not so great and the lyrics are quite frankly appalling imo.
I feel for Phil who had to sing them.
Intricate, complex, epic but for my money a hollow exercise at prog.
I love the outro though, Steve is brilliant there. They all are but he really stands out imo.



I agree. Although I really like Living Forever, I far prefer Fading Lights. I particularly get way more out of the instrumental for Fading Lights.

I also agree that both BoEF and RA&B pale compared to Fading Lights and both are some of my least favourite songs on the respective albums. I don't mind AIaMN, but Fading Lights still beats it by a country mile in my books.
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« Reply #16 on: Nov 14th, 2017, 07:07am »

on Nov 13th, 2017, 5:56pm, Dr. John wrote:
I agree. Although I really like Living Forever, I far prefer Fading Lights. I particularly get way more out of the instrumental for Fading Lights.

I also agree that both BoEF and RA&B pale compared to Fading Lights and both are some of my least favourite songs on the respective albums. I don't mind AIaMN, but Fading Lights still beats it by a country mile in my books.

There's so much brilliance throughout BoEF, some of the best Genesis passages in terms of musicianship imo but songwriting and musicianship sometimes can diverge.
I would say they tried to squeeze in too much but it is mainly on Peter. I love the lyrics, they are witty, inventive, humorous and creative but truly a mouthful and imo those are not Peter's best vocal lines. It could have been a much better song imo with some restraint from Peter which is odd because normally that was Tony's problem.
I equate LF to Mouse's night and the lady lies, songs I am supposed to like but I really don't. I love complexity, intricacy and ambition as much as anybody but I still need a decent tune to support all that. Tony's songs generally give me that, we are sometimes so focused on the complexity of his compositions that we forget how catchy for instance his choruses generally are. Phil said it once, his tunes are a joy to sing. On occasion, seldom actually, for me, that melodic quality is not there and the song falls apart, no matter the time signatures, how many passages, instrumentals and changes.
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« Reply #17 on: Nov 14th, 2017, 09:06am »

I like Fading Lights a lot, and love watching PC's work on the WCD live dvd.

Regarding the other songs mentioned: the 3 listed are very much non-favourites of mine. I agree re Mouse's that some of the music is quite good, especially the coda, but the lyrics make me cringe. I never liked the tweeness of some of their output at that time. This track also underlines the very shiny top-end sound that's quite prevalent on W&W and which I also don't like. RA&B has even fewer redeeming features, literally the only thing I like about it is the keyboard line in the section after "bad man." Together with MMM it inhabits a low mid-point of that album for me, which is why I can never join those placing Trick at the top of their lists.

Battle isn't a favourite but I can admire the wordplay and as I've said before I absolutely love the 'Reverend' section which comes across as a really nice standalone song transplanted into the middle of this longer slightly rambling track. By the way I'm often slow on the uptake with these things - I only just recently found out why the reverend reacts in such a shocked way when offered some "old-fashioned Staffordshire plate". No doubt everyone else here already knew?!

In what's generally accepted as possibly their wordiest song, I think the biggest mouthful especially when singing it live would probably be "It was love, peace and truth incorporated for all who seek".
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« Reply #18 on: Nov 14th, 2017, 09:22am »

on Nov 14th, 2017, 07:07am, Fabrizio wrote:
I equate LF to Mouse's night and the lady lies, songs I am supposed to like but I really don't. I love complexity, intricacy and ambition as much as anybody but I still need a decent tune to support all that. Tony's songs generally give me that, we are sometimes so focused on the complexity of his compositions that we forget how catchy for instance his choruses generally are. Phil said it once, his tunes are a joy to sing. On occasion, seldom actually, for me, that melodic quality is not there and the song falls apart, no matter the time signatures, how many passages, instrumentals and changes.


I know what you mean about that sense of expectation about certain songs and would definitely include Lady Lies for myself. I always thought it was okay, but then completely lost interest in it, and can't remember when I ever last listened to it. Ultimately I lean more towards TB's simpler songs - Afterglow and Many Too Many are two of the best songs they ever did, in my view.
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« Reply #19 on: Nov 14th, 2017, 09:54am »

on Nov 14th, 2017, 09:22am, Backdrifter wrote:
Afterglow and Many Too Many are two of the best songs they ever did, in my view.


I've always like MtM and Afterglow, not because they are short, although it was nice to see Tony keeping it simpler but because I think they are good songs.
Again, melodically quite strong, coincise, Many too Many is particularly simple, I seem to remember only major and minor chords and they are both somehow enhanced by the lyrics.
They are abstract enough, anyone, at a certain point in life can find something there, identify in a way. Nothing philosophically deep but certainly removed from clichés. Nice.
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« Reply #20 on: Jan 3rd, 2018, 12:27pm »

Love this song and Hold On My Heart, they are the only ones I like on that album.
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« Reply #21 on: Jan 13th, 2018, 2:09pm »

I never really loved the song as a whole-it's an interesting drum machine pattern and chord progression but IMO the refrain is weak.

I do very much love the instrumental section of FL, that combined with the sentimental lyrics are a VERY fitting end to an album and also Phil's time with the band...
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« Reply #22 on: Jan 18th, 2018, 8:01pm »

One of the more popular songs from the album We Cant Dance, yet Tony Banks not too long ago stated that he wasn't impressed with the instrumental bit in hindsight and thought Mike Rutherford's guitar part at the end of the instrumental was much better than the instrumental itself.
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« Reply #23 on: Jan 19th, 2018, 06:24am »

on Jan 18th, 2018, 8:01pm, roy wrote:
One of the more popular songs from the album We Cant Dance, yet Tony Banks not too long ago stated that he wasn't impressed with the instrumental bit in hindsight and thought Mike Rutherford's guitar part at the end of the instrumental was much better than the instrumental itself.

Probably not one of their most inspired instrumentals but I find it OK, both Tony and Mike have strong moments on it.
I listened to the whole album recently and for my money the overwhelming majority of the songs are really subpar, I personally save 3 or 4 tops. I've always said and I still believe it that to me, it sounds like a contractual obligation record.
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« Reply #24 on: Jan 19th, 2018, 09:55am »

The instrumental bit is one of the best I've ever heard. It always gives me goosebumps when it kicks in and they start jamming! cool
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« Reply #25 on: Jan 21st, 2018, 12:29pm »

on Jan 19th, 2018, 06:24am, Fabrizio wrote:
Probably not one of their most inspired instrumentals but I find it OK, both Tony and Mike have strong moments on it.
I listened to the whole album recently and for my money the overwhelming majority of the songs are really subpar, I personally save 3 or 4 tops. I've always said and I still believe it that to me, it sounds like a contractual obligation record.


I agree with you there are at least for my tastes four good solid strong songs on the album. The rest of the album could have passed for a Mike & The Mechanics record.
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on Jan 21st, 2018, 12:29pm, roy wrote:
The rest of the album could have passed for a Mike & The Mechanics record.

With lyrics by Phil cheesy
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on Jan 18th, 2018, 8:01pm, roy wrote:
One of the more popular songs from the album We Cant Dance, yet Tony Banks not too long ago stated that he wasn't impressed with the instrumental bit in hindsight and thought Mike Rutherford's guitar part at the end of the instrumental was much better than the instrumental itself.


I really like the instrumental. I think it is framed well with those big dramatic chords. It also goes through a variety of moods and shades. And Phil's drumming on it is some of his best.
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