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« Reply #15 on: Aug 13th, 2014, 11:42am »


Classic for me. Why?

I may be in the minority but it's far better than the vastly inferior Duke for me, and that seems to be regarded as a classic.

That'll be a minority of one I take it? grin

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« Reply #16 on: Aug 13th, 2014, 11:49am »

on Aug 13th, 2014, 11:42am, vc10 wrote:
Classic for me. Why?

I may be in the minority but it's far better than the vastly inferior Duke for me, and that seems to be regarded as a classic.

That'll be a minority of one I take it? grin

Minority of at least two as I completely agree with you. smiley
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« Reply #17 on: Aug 13th, 2014, 12:43pm »

I like the album, even with its flaws, but then I like all Genesis albums.

I would have to ask, too, how "classic" is being defined here.
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xx Re: ATTWT-Classic.Yes or No?
« Reply #18 on: Aug 13th, 2014, 3:05pm »

on Aug 13th, 2014, 12:30am, Down And Out wrote:
I still think that ATTWT sounds much more like Wind And Wuthering than many would have you believe. I see Duke as a more significant change in direction.


Me too. For me, ATTW3 is the last "old Genesis" record, despite the absence of Steve. Everything from the drums to the keyboards to the songwriting is still very '70s Genesis on ATTW3, it's just that the songs were getting a bit simpler and shorter. I do think Patrick Bateman was right when he said the new Genesis began with Duke because Phil became an equal member in the songwriting department on that album and they started to move towards what I would call a more "American radio" sound - not that that's a bad thing, it was just a different style.
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« Reply #19 on: Aug 13th, 2014, 3:21pm »

on Aug 12th, 2014, 4:06pm, Down And Out wrote:
Classic for me, but I know I'm in a minority.


Classic for me too! I love all the early Genesis albums from the 70s - and to me ATTWT is no exception! True the tracks may be a little shorter - but the magic is still there!

Personally I think the 80s is really when Genesis classics started to diminish! undecided
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xx Re: ATTWT-Classic.Yes or No?
« Reply #20 on: Aug 13th, 2014, 3:33pm »

on Aug 13th, 2014, 11:49am, Down And Out wrote:
Minority of at least two as I completely agree with you. smiley


I think ATTW3 is enormously better than Duke.

Two of my preferred tracks on Duke (Man Of Our Times and Cul-de-Sac) sound like ATTW3 to me. And they're often held in low regard too. Probably because they have a bit of grit about them and dare to inject some venom.

As for the person who compared ATTW3 to CAS... I can only ask this...

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« Reply #21 on: Aug 13th, 2014, 4:36pm »

IMHO Duke is a fantastic album. Yes, it is a step down from ATTWT - but just a small one to my ears.
  1. Behind The Lines - 9/10
  2. Duchess - 9.5/10
  3. Guide Vocal - 7.5/10
  4. Man Of Our Times - 9.5/10
  5. Misunderstanding - 4/10
  6. Heathaze - 9/10
  7. Turn It On Again - 7.5/10
  8. Alone Tonight - 8/10
  9. Cul-De-Sac - 8.5/10
  10. Please Don't Ask - 8/10
  11. Duke's Travels - 10/10
  12. Duke's End - 8/10
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« Reply #22 on: Aug 13th, 2014, 5:08pm »

After listening to it tonight, I've decided to name Duke's Travels my new favourite track from its album. Also, it now gets a perfect 10 from me. Absolutely awesome. cool
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« Reply #23 on: Aug 13th, 2014, 5:12pm »

on Aug 13th, 2014, 3:33pm, Pigeon wrote:
Two of my preferred tracks on Duke (Man Of Our Times and Cul-de-Sac) sound like ATTW3 to me.

I think that the most ATTWT-like track on Duke is Heathaze. So not surprisingly, Heathaze is my favourite track on said album - an utterly sublime piece of music. cool
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« Reply #24 on: Aug 13th, 2014, 5:27pm »

Hmm ok running with the ATTWT/Duke comparison I'll very quickly throw out a song-by-song rating...

Down and Out 8.5/10
Undertow 10/10
Ballad of Big 8/10
Snowbound 9/10
Burning Rope 9.5/10
Deep in the Motherlode 10/10
Many too Many 8.5/10
Scenes from a Night's Dream 8/10
Say It's Alright, Joe 9.5/10
The Lady Lies 8.5/10
Follow You, Follow Me 9/10

Behind the Lines 10/10
Duchess 9.5/10
Guide Vocal 10/10
Man of our Times 8/10
Misunderstanding 8/10
Heathaze 9.5/10
Turn it on Again 8.5/10
Alone Tonight 8.5/10
Cul-de-Sac 10/10
Please Don't Ask 9.5/10
Duke's Travels 10/10
Duke's End 10/10

Which gives ATTWT a score of 8.95 and Duke a score of 9.29. Which I guess more-or-less reflects my overall preferences. ATTWT is a cracking album but I guess Duke just has a bit more zip about it for me - and more than just the individual songs, which I have compared here, but the overall sound and flow of the album is just a bit more... arresting, I guess. smiley
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« Reply #25 on: Aug 13th, 2014, 6:05pm »

on Aug 13th, 2014, 3:05pm, Synth Solo wrote:
... ATTW3 is the last "old Genesis" record, despite the absence of Steve. Everything from the drums to the keyboards to the songwriting is still very '70s Genesis on ATTW3...


I completely agree.

The melodrama, the storytelling, the musicianship, the piano, organ, mellotron - I don't think ATTW3 is that far removed from any Genesis album that preceded it.

And I certainly agree with D&O's view as well:

on Aug 13th, 2014, 12:30am, Down And Out wrote:
... I still think that ATTWT sounds much more like Wind And Wuthering than many would have you believe. I see Duke as a more significant change in direction.


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« Reply #26 on: Aug 14th, 2014, 12:42am »

on Aug 13th, 2014, 11:39am, WinstonWolf wrote:
Not to throw off the "classic" votes but I have mixed feelings about the album.

In a lot of ways it reminds me of Calling All Stations, in that it was primarily written by Mike and Tony. Judging only those two albums side by side that writing combo produces a very particular kind of sound, even when separated by 20 years.

And they're both transitional albums too, though only ATTWT has the benefit of being a transition to something rather than nothing.

I like a lot of what's on And Then There Were Three, and I can't point to any particular song I dislike at all, but there's something...hard to put into words that's a little unsatisfying about the album as a whole.

I know that Steve's departure is heard quite clearly, and the lack of really interesting guitar parts is noticeable. Of course, all three of them compensate by playing more, but that often leads to that huge "wall of sound" they worked to pare back on Duke before dropping entirely on Abacab.

Maybe it's that it does look a little too hard backwards, because I also hear a lot of Wind and Wuthering echos, but because of that it also seems to have a little less forward motion into something new.

So for me it's a very likable album, and knowing where it's all going in retrospect makes it's shortcomings easier to overlook, but it isn't one of my top favorites.

I can certainly agree on a few points here. Mike & Tony hold the bulk of writing credits here, and there seems to be a parallel vibe if one makes a comparison with CAS. But then, I really like both albums very much. Yet I'd say ATTWT is an overall more consistent piece of work, and it does have Phil on drums & vocals, so there's that. And Steve's departure is certainly evident, but Mike hold his own, and I've always found the new sound very interesting. And yes, a distinctly transitional album, but it's anchored in the 70's prog world.

ATTWT was released just when I was fully established as Genesis fan. I became interested in the band shortly after the release of ATOTT. The W&W tour was the first rock concert I'd ever attended. The tour that supported ATTWT blew me away. Difficult for me to fault this period for the band.

But I suppose it's always a matter of perspective. I remember back in the old Genesis forum days there was one particular fan, based in Germany if I remember correctly, who was staunchly a cheerleader for 70's prog. Whenever a discussion cropped up that dealt with post 70's Genesis you could guarantee that he would post and express his dislike to whatever the topic. He was very clear about his preferences. For him, Genesis' last respectable album was ...and then there were three, so interpret that whichever way you like. grin
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« Reply #27 on: Aug 14th, 2014, 02:40am »

It has been a long long time since I last posted on here, but I’ve been back and lurking for a few weeks, and what better way to kick off again than a post on a thread about easily my favourite “3-man” Genesis album (and maybe overall favourite too). I love the whole thing from the slow opening chords of Down and Out to Tony’s little keyboard flourish on the fade out of FYFM. I like the whole atmosphere and feel of the album.

I’m with Down and Out (the person) on this one, I feel the big changes started with Duke (and yes Heathaze is wonderful and reminiscent ATTWT) and ATTWT has more in common with WAW. In fact for me the run of TOTT to ATTWT is my favourite Genesis era.

Oh, and my second favourite “3-man” album is CAS smiley
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« Reply #28 on: Aug 14th, 2014, 03:22am »

on Aug 14th, 2014, 02:40am, MartinH wrote:
In fact for me the run of TOTT to ATTWT is my favourite Genesis era.

Add Duke, and you have my favourite era - the era David Hentschel produced their albums.
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« Reply #29 on: Aug 14th, 2014, 05:11am »

on Aug 14th, 2014, 03:22am, NoSonOfVine wrote:
Add Duke, and you have my favourite era - the era David Hentschel produced their albums.


That's quite interesting.Whatever happened to Hentschel after Duke?
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