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« Reply #14 on: Apr 15th, 2012, 12:20pm »

When it comes to comparing Phil`s and Peter`s voice craft, some wise man`s words come to my mind, I have read somewhere sometime:

Phil`s vocals on Supper`s Ready are better, than Peter`s; but Phil cannot sing it the way Peter does.
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« Reply #15 on: Apr 15th, 2012, 12:34pm »

on Apr 15th, 2012, 12:20pm, slowdancer wrote:
When it comes to comparing Phil`s and Peter`s voice craft, some wise man`s words come to my mind, I have read somewhere sometime:

Phil`s vocals on Supper`s Ready are better, than Peter`s; but Phil cannot sing it the way Peter does.

Oh no! Not another Peter versus Phil debate?! wink
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« Reply #16 on: Apr 15th, 2012, 12:45pm »

on Apr 15th, 2012, 09:57am, Fabrizio wrote:
the fact that Peter still sings better than ever while Phil cannot anymore


Peter sings better than ever? Really?

I saw him on Later with Jools Holland and was not impressed. I noticed he needed a lot of help from backing singers and has no hope with the high notes.

Phil's voice has got thinner since the '80s, that's true, but I would say Peter's certainly has too.
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« Reply #17 on: Apr 15th, 2012, 12:49pm »

on Apr 15th, 2012, 11:14am, slowdancer wrote:
Red Rain for instance?


I've always thought Peter's best vocals ever were on So. He never sounded better before or since.
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« Reply #18 on: Apr 15th, 2012, 1:25pm »

on Apr 15th, 2012, 12:34pm, Down And Out wrote:
Oh no! Not another Peter versus Phil debate?! wink


No, I love them both. They are very different, but both great.

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« Reply #19 on: Apr 15th, 2012, 1:26pm »

on Apr 15th, 2012, 12:45pm, Synth Solo wrote:
Peter sings better than ever? Really?

I saw him on Later with Jools Holland and was not impressed. I noticed he needed a lot of help from backing singers and has no hope with the high notes.

Phil's voice has got thinner since the '80s, that's true, but I would say Peter's certainly has too.

I never thought Peter's forte was his high pitch and he still has he low tones to rely upon, those are imo better than ever...
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« Reply #20 on: Apr 15th, 2012, 1:27pm »

on Apr 15th, 2012, 12:49pm, Synth Solo wrote:
I've always thought Peter's best vocals ever were on So. He never sounded better before or since.

I agree on the before, not so much on the since
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« Reply #21 on: Apr 15th, 2012, 1:28pm »

on Apr 15th, 2012, 12:49pm, Synth Solo wrote:
I've always thought Peter's best vocals ever were on So. He never sounded better before or since.


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« Reply #22 on: Apr 15th, 2012, 1:41pm »

Saw Peter live in concert last Summer. His voice was incredible, high notes and all, for two and a half hours. Maybe he has some off-nights, and I can pick on some of his vocals on some 2007 live recordings I have, but in Camden, NJ in 2011 He was ON. Better than ever, as the man said.

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« Reply #23 on: Apr 15th, 2012, 1:57pm »

on Apr 15th, 2012, 12:20pm, slowdancer wrote:
When it comes to comparing Phil`s and Peter`s voice craft, some wise man`s words come to my mind, I have read somewhere sometime:

Phil`s vocals on Supper`s Ready are better, than Peter`s; but Phil cannot sing it the way Peter does.



I think it came from PG as I recall. He said to Phil, "you can sing the songs better than I can, but you can't sing them like I can."


Quite true really.




As for Phil, I'd say his vocals from Duke through to We Can't Dance are great overall, particularly live where he would stretch out a little more. His version of Supper's Ready from Seconds Out does the magic for me.
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« Reply #24 on: Apr 15th, 2012, 2:16pm »

on Apr 15th, 2012, 1:57pm, Hammerdown wrote:
I think it came from PG as I recall. He said to Phil, "you can sing the songs better than I can, but you can't sing them like I can."


Quite true really.

Still an opinion, albeit Peter's opinion. And I get the impression that Peter is quite a modest man. wink Having said that, I think that Peter and Phil are both great vocalists and Genesis are very lucky to have had them both in the same band. smiley
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« Reply #25 on: Apr 15th, 2012, 3:03pm »

on Apr 15th, 2012, 11:14am, slowdancer wrote:
Red Rain for instance? Or if we are only talking Genesis here: The Apocalypse in 9/8th section in Supper`s Ready


Well, I do like Peter's voice better later on in his career, outside of Genesis. "In Your Eyes" is one of my favorite 80s songs, for example, and he did sound pretty good on The Carpet Crawlers 1999.

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Speaking of Phil, I always get goosebumps listening to him singing Afterglow on Three Sides Live. A much more powerful version, than on Seconds Out or even on Wind And Wuthering. But maybe that is just me, feeling that way.


I agree. Pretty much everything about Afterglow gives me goosebumps, though... such a beautifully written and performed song.
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« Reply #26 on: Apr 15th, 2012, 3:06pm »

on Apr 15th, 2012, 1:57pm, Hammerdown wrote:
I think it came from PG as I recall. He said to Phil, "you can sing the songs better than I can, but you can't sing them like I can."


Quite true really.



Yes, and I think, this quote tells it all. They are both great in their particular way to sing and perform. That is, what I meant to say, when I first posted it.
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« Reply #27 on: Apr 15th, 2012, 3:47pm »

All I can say about Peter's voice recently is, having heard a few performances by him in recent years, I thought he'd lost quite a bit of range. If I was coming to him new, had never heard him before and was unfamiliar with how great his back catalogue is, I probably wouldn't be converted to him from these performances. I feel sad to say that, but it's how I feel. sad

Mind you, I've not been a big fan of his recent orchestral albums either. I've found them rather disappointing, especially considering how long we've had to wait for new material from him.
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« Reply #28 on: Apr 15th, 2012, 3:52pm »

on Apr 15th, 2012, 1:57pm, Hammerdown wrote:
I think it came from PG as I recall. He said to Phil, "you can sing the songs better than I can, but you can't sing them like I can."


Quite true really.


I remember reading a review which said that Phil took over as singer and had a voice which was more accessible to the mainstream listener. I think that's undoubtedly true to this day.

Peter's voice was always more unusual but had a lot of character. Phil's voice was smoother and suited ballads more (which is probably why he had so much success with those kind of songs).
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