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« Reply #1 on: Dec 9th, 2017, 07:04am »

the more phil dismisses burning rope, the more i like it.

mike's most "perfect" song is deep in the motherlode, but i like man of our times better.

as for phil's songs, misunderstanding is a guilty pleasure for me, i guess.

tony:
1. the lady lies
2. burning rope
3. me and sarah jane
4. one for the vine
5. evidence of automn
6. many too many
7. cul-de-sac
8. heathaze
9. undertow
10. afterglow
11. a trick of the tail
12. all in a mouse's night
13. mad man moon
14. guide vocal
15. the day the light went out

mike:
1. man of our times
2. deep in the motherlode
3. say it's alright, joe
4. your own special way
5. snowbound
6. open door
7. alone tonight
8- like it or not

phil:
1. misunderstanding
2. man on the corner
3. please don't ask
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« Reply #2 on: Dec 9th, 2017, 08:17am »

mike is very good at contributing ideas to songs, but not as good at writing individual songs...
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« Reply #3 on: Dec 9th, 2017, 3:51pm »

TB - my favourites are, in no order, Afterglow, Many Too Many, Me & Sarah Jane. My least favourites are Mouse's, MMM, Heathaze.

Of MRs, MOOT is probably the best, DITM is ok, and for PC Misunderstanding and MOTC are ok.
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« Reply #4 on: Dec 10th, 2017, 03:29am »

on Dec 9th, 2017, 07:04am, Kerry95 wrote:
the more phil dismisses burning rope, the more i like it.



Could you post links to interviews where Phil does this? I'd be interested. At some point in the 90's they played some Genesis tracks to Phil in a drummer magazine and he was asked to comment. About Burning Rope he said something like "Tony's gonna hate me for saying this, but it was because of songs like this that I left Genesis." laugh He also said that he probably played all that tom stuff in the intro because he felt the song was so boring and he tried to add some excitement.
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« Reply #5 on: Dec 10th, 2017, 04:38am »

I hadn't heard that before but I'm not keen on BR myself. It's a particular kind of somewhat overwrought song Banks seemed to do at the time. It's why I infinitely prefer the simplicity of Afterglow and the leaner, tauter, spacier feel of M&SJ.
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« Reply #6 on: Dec 10th, 2017, 05:19am »

Tony
1. Mad Man Moon
2. Afterglow
3. Me And Sarah Jane
4. Cul-De-Sac
5. Undertow
6. One For The Vine
7. Heathaze
8. The Lady Lies
9. Burning Rope
10. A Trick Of The Tail
11. All In A Mouse's Night
12. Many Too Many
13. Evidence Of Autumn
14. The Day The Light Went Out

Mike
1. Deep In The Motherlode
2. Say It's Alright Joe
3. Man Of Our Times
4. Like It Or Not
5. Your Own Special Way
6. Open Door
7. Snowbound
8. Alone Tonight

Phil
1. Please Don't Ask
2. Man On The Corner
3. Misunderstanding

Quite difficult, but Mike clearly has the weakest list of the three. I absolutely love "Motherlode" and "Joe", but the rest are merely good or OK. Phil's three songs are all great. And Tony's songs are all pretty excellent, apart from "The Day the Light Went Out". In my opinion!
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« Reply #7 on: Dec 10th, 2017, 06:36am »

on Dec 10th, 2017, 03:29am, Chaim wrote:
About Burning Rope he said something like "Tony's gonna hate me for saying this, but it was because of songs like this that I left Genesis." laugh He also said that he probably played all that tom stuff in the intro because he felt the song was so boring and he tried to add some excitement.

Well, understandable , considering his stellar contribution, in terms of songwriting, to ATTW3.
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« Reply #8 on: Dec 10th, 2017, 10:25am »

on Dec 10th, 2017, 05:19am, Merryman72 wrote:
Mike clearly has the weakest list of the three


Vive la difference I guess but I truly, really beg to differ.
Btw, I know they are not officially credited to him alone but stuff like Ripples and FYFM are Mike's and imo great songs.
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« Reply #9 on: Dec 10th, 2017, 10:28am »

on Dec 9th, 2017, 08:17am, Kerry95 wrote:
mike is very good at contributing ideas to songs, but not as good at writing individual songs...

At first, I thought you were being a bit too harsh on Mike but thinking about it you might have a point there. It is absolutely possible that he is more of a collaborative writer, even though he occasionally has some peaks of his own, imo.
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« Reply #10 on: Dec 10th, 2017, 12:11pm »

on Dec 10th, 2017, 10:25am, Fabrizio wrote:
Vive la difference I guess but I truly, really beg to differ.
Btw, I know they are not officially credited to him alone but stuff like Ripples and FYFM are Mike's and imo great songs.


I'm not saying I don't rate Mike as a songwriter - far from it - but overall his list of solo compositions doesn't seem to hold up well when listed in this company. And yep, I adore Ripples and FYFM. However, this point:

on Dec 9th, 2017, 08:17am, Kerry95 wrote:
mike is very good at contributing ideas to songs, but not as good at writing individual songs...

on Dec 10th, 2017, 10:28am, Fabrizio wrote:
At first, I thought you were being a bit too harsh on Mike but thinking about it you might have a point there. It is absolutely possible that he is more of a collaborative writer, even though he occasionally has some peaks of his own, imo.


... is probably quite a good one, and I'm pretty sure is something that Mike has admitted himself. Didn't he have a co-writer for the vast majority of Mechanics songs?
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« Reply #11 on: Dec 11th, 2017, 07:17am »

on Dec 10th, 2017, 03:29am, Chaim wrote:
About Burning Rope he said something like "Tony's gonna hate me for saying this, but it was because of songs like this that I left Genesis." He also said that he probably played all that tom stuff in the intro because he felt the song was so boring and he tried to add some excitement.

I'm not the biggest fan of BR, but I really don't agree with Phil's opinion of it!
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« Reply #12 on: Dec 11th, 2017, 09:21am »

on Dec 11th, 2017, 07:17am, onetwothree wrote:
I'm not the biggest fan of BR, but I really don't agree with Phil's opinion of it!

Well, he is entitled to his opinion, isn't he? BR is really not Banks' at his best imo but I never appreciated when artists dump on their own band publicly and again: what did he have to offer that was better than BR?
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« Reply #13 on: Dec 11th, 2017, 10:46am »

on Dec 11th, 2017, 09:21am, Fabrizio wrote:
Well, he is entitled to his opinion, isn't he? BR is really not Banks' at his best imo but I never appreciated when artists dump on their own band publicly and again: what did he have to offer that was better than BR?


Misunderstanding! laugh
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« Reply #14 on: Dec 11th, 2017, 11:02am »

on Dec 11th, 2017, 10:46am, HomeByTheSea wrote:
Misunderstanding! laugh

You Sir, are a provocateur ;-)
Anyway, as I am sure you are aware that Misunderstanding was on Duke, not on ATTW3 and......Well, I guess I made my feelings about that ....''song'' already clear. grin
Phil's contributions on ATTW3 were the lyrics to Scenes from a night's dream and the Ballad of big....Let's leave it at that.
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« Reply #15 on: Dec 11th, 2017, 11:13am »

I have some particular favourites from the lists.
Tony is undoubtely my favourite composer in Genesis, and these are my favourites of his:

1. Mad Man Moon
2. One For The Vine
3. The Lady Lies
4. Burning Rope
5. Guide Vocal.

From Mike:

1. Man Of Our Times
2. Deep In The Motherlode
3. Open Door

From Phil:

1. Please Don't Ask
2. In Too Deep (Tony said on the Invisible Tour documentary that Phil wrote it)
3. Man on The Corner

...and as for Misunderstanding, I hate it! Sorry wink
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