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« Reply #975 on: Apr 21st, 2012, 6:14pm »

on Apr 21st, 2012, 6:11pm, Nov wrote:
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What's this cover all about? huh
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« Reply #976 on: Apr 21st, 2012, 7:17pm »

on Apr 21st, 2012, 5:53pm, Merryman72 wrote:
Exactly this. If only one person bought an album and everyone else got it by illegal copying (an exaggeration, I know, but it's the principle...) then the artists would get next to no money for the work they have put into what could be a really fantastic album.

I do share some music with friends, but generally if I really want to listen to something, I will try to buy it instead of borrowing someone else's copy. I also illegally download some stuff if it's really obscure / not available for a reasonable price (eg CAS B-sides: Not worth it for the £70-80 for the box set since I already had the remastered albums included in that set, and not available anywhere else unless I tried to get the singles they were originally on - difficult and expensive. Same with Match of the Day).

Thank you Merryman72. I expected to be shot down in flames for my post. undecided It's nice have a member of the forum agree with me and the fact that it's one of the younger members makes it all the more pleasing for me. smiley
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« Reply #977 on: Apr 22nd, 2012, 01:58am »

There was a discussion about this topic a while ago. It ended up in a mess.

http://www.dprp.net/forum/index.php?topic=2548.0

http://www.iq-forum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1933&hilit=prog+against+pirates

http://www.iq-forum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1620&hilit=prog+against+pirates

These threads are quite worth a read, because they include all the arguments pro and con downloading and especially the viewpoint of the artists. Thing is, that in all three threads the discussion went unpleasant and the threads got locked....

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« Reply #978 on: Apr 22nd, 2012, 02:53am »

on Apr 21st, 2012, 6:14pm, Merryman72 wrote:
What's this cover all about? huh


It's Jethro Tull's "Thick as a Brick" album cover.
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« Reply #979 on: Apr 22nd, 2012, 03:06am »

on Apr 21st, 2012, 7:17pm, Down And Out wrote:
Thank you Merryman72. I expected to be shot down in flames for my post. undecided It's nice have a member of the forum agree with me and the fact that it's one of the younger members makes it all the more pleasing for me. smiley


Look, I know it sounds selfish and sly to find illegal downloading okay, but I just feel that for me at least, there is no way to be against it. I would be against it, but it seems impossible.

Like I said before, YouTube has all of the music available, all for free. YouTube is doing absolutely nothing to stop uploads of entire albums and even entire films. If YouTube (and Google, who owns YouTube) is okay with this... yeah, it's moronic, but that's the situation, and we've known it from the start. wink

We are living in an age where the Internet dominates absolutely everything. Yes, the Internet is terribly evil, I am in perfect agreement. But it is here to stay. So what's the use? undecided
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« Reply #980 on: Apr 22nd, 2012, 04:49am »

on Apr 22nd, 2012, 02:53am, NoSonofVine wrote:
It's Jethro Tull's "Thick as a Brick" album cover.


Err, look again at the picture that supposedly goes with the main article... wink
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« Reply #981 on: Apr 22nd, 2012, 05:05am »

on Apr 22nd, 2012, 04:49am, Merryman72 wrote:
Err, look again at the picture that supposedly goes with the main article... wink


I just looked up the actual cover on Google Images (I don't have the album). Lol, I see now. smiley But why? huh
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« Reply #982 on: Apr 22nd, 2012, 05:26am »

on Apr 22nd, 2012, 05:05am, NoSonofVine wrote:
I just looked up the actual cover on Google Images (I don't have the album). Lol, I see now. smiley But why? huh


Exactly what I was wondering... most odd huh
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« Reply #983 on: Apr 22nd, 2012, 06:03am »

on Apr 21st, 2012, 08:43am, NoSonofVine wrote:
I no longer consider it illegal. How can it be, in this age? smiley

Seriously, it should not be illegal. Look at YouTube. There are entire bloody albums uploaded to YouTube, hundreds of them. Hundreds upon hundreds of entire albums, including compilations and live albums, to hear for free. Entire albums to download for free (using the several YouTube video free download services on the net), and no-one seems to be stopping it.

Not to mention, all of the band channels that upload songs with attached music videos. Every song that ever comes out makes its way on to YouTube before you can beat an eyelash. Every song, album, live performance, everything... it's all on YouTube. And Spotify. And all kinds of other places.

Music is so easy to hear and recieve these days that it shouldn't really be illegal in any fashion. I still like to buy music to support the artists though; I haven't stopped buying music, nobody has. It's just easier to get music for free. If one can with no consequences, one will. smiley

The SOPA (Stop Online Piracy Act) could have put a stop to it, but of course, it never went ahead. Nothing will stop the Internet - it is far too vast and powerful. It would be impossible to censor everything.

It's rather scary if you think about it. undecided


Unfortunately, it's not us who get to decide what's legal. It's the lawmakers!

As others have said, there's swings and roundabouts to it, we have all done it and all ended up buying stuff we might not have if we'd not heard it via this method, but there has to be a sensible balance between copying and shelling out.
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« Reply #984 on: Apr 22nd, 2012, 07:00am »

on Apr 22nd, 2012, 03:06am, NoSonofVine wrote:
... YouTube has all of the music available, all for free. YouTube is doing absolutely nothing to stop uploads of entire albums and even entire films. If YouTube (and Google, who owns YouTube) is okay with this... yeah, it's moronic, but that's the situation, and we've known it from the start. wink

We are living in an age where the Internet dominates absolutely everything. Yes, the Internet is terribly evil, I am in perfect agreement. But it is here to stay. So what's the use? undecided


There has always been the dispassionate majority of our society that views music as disposable and fleeting.
And it's easy to understand why that faction would buy into this mentality that we shouldn’t have to pay for music or films.

To me, however, it's incongruous for someone who is supposedly passionate about music and specific bands to think this is acceptable.

YouTube is a fine source for hearing songs but it is certainly no alternative to having the product in your disc player or on your home or car stereo
And there is nothing inherently "evil" about the internet or specifically file sharing technology - it's how people choose to use that technology that brings actions into question.

I’ve downloaded a lot of free music in the last few years but I make a conscious decision to only download music that is commercially unavailable.
Just because 97% of the downloading population doesn't share my principles, doesn't justify their practice.

I have no objection to people copying and sharing commercially available CDs for the purpose of introducing a band to someone else – from there the beneficiary can decide whether they want to explore the band further on their own.

But to suggest that the existence of YouTube justifies not paying for commercially available music is a terrible cop-out. tongue
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« Reply #985 on: Apr 22nd, 2012, 07:32am »

on Apr 22nd, 2012, 07:00am, Witchwood wrote:
There has always been the dispassionate majority of our society that views music as disposable and fleeting.
And it's easy to understand why that faction would buy into this mentality that we shouldn’t have to pay for music or films.

To me, however, it's incongruous for someone who is supposedly passionate about music and specific bands to think this is acceptable.

YouTube is a fine source for hearing songs but it is certainly no alternative to having the product in your disc player or on your home or car stereo
And there is nothing inherently "evil" about the internet or specifically file sharing technology - it's how people choose to use that technology that brings actions into question.

I’ve downloaded a lot of free music in the last few years but I make a conscious decision to only download music that is commercially unavailable.
Just because 97% of the downloading population doesn't share my principles, doesn't justify their practice.

I have no objection to people copying and sharing commercially available CDs for the purpose of introducing a band to someone else – from there the beneficiary can decide whether they want to explore the band further on their own.

But to suggest that the existence of YouTube justifies not paying for commercially available music is a terrible cop-out. tongue


Outstanding post, WW. Very well-put. smiley
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« Reply #986 on: Apr 22nd, 2012, 07:47am »

on Apr 22nd, 2012, 07:00am, Witchwood wrote:
There has always been the dispassionate majority of our society that views music as disposable and fleeting.
And it's easy to understand why that faction would buy into this mentality that we shouldn’t have to pay for music or films.

To me, however, it's incongruous for someone who is supposedly passionate about music and specific bands to think this is acceptable.

YouTube is a fine source for hearing songs but it is certainly no alternative to having the product in your disc player or on your home or car stereo
And there is nothing inherently "evil" about the internet or specifically file sharing technology - it's how people choose to use that technology that brings actions into question.

I’ve downloaded a lot of free music in the last few years but I make a conscious decision to only download music that is commercially unavailable.
Just because 97% of the downloading population doesn't share my principles, doesn't justify their practice.

I have no objection to people copying and sharing commercially available CDs for the purpose of introducing a band to someone else – from there the beneficiary can decide whether they want to explore the band further on their own.

But to suggest that the existence of YouTube justifies not paying for commercially available music is a terrible cop-out. tongue

on Apr 22nd, 2012, 07:32am, Dust wrote:
Outstanding post, WW. Very well-put. smiley

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« Reply #987 on: Apr 22nd, 2012, 08:01am »

on Apr 22nd, 2012, 07:47am, Down And Out wrote:
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« Reply #988 on: Apr 22nd, 2012, 08:45am »

Damn you Record Store Day! Damn you!

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« Reply #989 on: Apr 22nd, 2012, 08:46am »

on Apr 22nd, 2012, 08:01am, Merryman72 wrote:
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+1 for me as well. wink
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