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« Reply #630 on: Jan 2nd, 2015, 07:52am »

on Jan 2nd, 2015, 04:28am, alanh wrote:
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Yes, you are correct but I think the US is the only country that has the right to arm yourself enshrined in its constitution and it is the failure to address the need for that law to be changed in such a manner as to make incidents such as those which we see all too often on the news happening but there is a snowball's chance in hell of that happening whilst the US administration has its nuts firmly held by the NRA and the likes.


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Once again, calling for a change is easy. Let's hear a solution. How would you change it "in such a manner to make such incidents" not happen in the future? Even better, what's your solution for getting guns out of the criminals hands?

I've given some examples of things I think will help, and cited some laws that were enacted like in NYC for example that have helped. I'm up for hearing any idea that might help, but just going on and on about what you think is a problem without even offering up a solution does nothing except let you get something that bothers you off your chest. I get it, you don't like guns or laws that allow responsible owners to have them. I don't like criminals having guns. See how that works? Admittedly, I don't have a solution to getting guns out of their hands, only that tougher laws might make some of them think twice about having them. What's your solution? Taking away my right to defend myself against them is not one if they're still armed.

I'll make you a deal, guarantee me or somehow prove criminals won't have guns going forward, and I'll give up my right to have one too. Til then I'd rather be locked, loaded, and feeling comfortable in being able to defend my loved ones in my home if need be,than not being able to do so.
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« Reply #631 on: Jan 2nd, 2015, 09:58am »

Aww, crap! I promised myself I wasn't going to get involved in this....

Alan has now touched upon the key--it's not guns, it's politics. The vast majority of Americans know we need stricter gun laws. Background checks on all gun purchases, a better mental-health database to prevent guns from getting into the hands of disturbed people, limits on the types of guns that can be freely owned, etc. But conservative politicians are threatened by the Gun Lobby if they should propose or vote for such things. The NRA says they'll run candidates to defeat these lawmakers, and these political yahoos are more concerned with loosing their elected positions than they are about protecting the American people, who they've been elected to serve.

The whole thing sucks, and until we get more moderate politicians in control of the House and the Senate, and keep the White House, of course, I don't see this changing anytime soon.
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« Reply #632 on: Jan 2nd, 2015, 11:29am »

For us Europeans it is quite an absurd idea, that anyone, except for the police and the army, should have the right to bear arms. It is one of the things, I never understood about America. That, the Tea Party and the fundamental christians in the bible belt.
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« Reply #633 on: Jan 2nd, 2015, 12:19pm »

on Jan 2nd, 2015, 11:29am, slowdancer wrote:
For us Europeans it is quite an absurd idea, that anyone, except for the police and the army, should have the right to bear arms. It is one of the things, I never understood about America. That, the Tea Party and the fundamental christians in the bible belt.


And to me it's perfectly understandable how, and why you feel that way.

I'm not saying you think, or feel this way, but it's not exactly the Wild West over here with everyone packing. In fact it's quite difficult in many states to own a gun. If you have a felony on your record, you can't own one. The states where you can get a permit are mostly for having one in your home or hunting. It is extremely difficult in most states to get a concealed/carry permit where you can have one legally on your person outside of your home. Usually only someone in the police,military, or security fields can get those.

Some states have less stringent laws on carry permits. Some out west like Arizona it's not as difficult, and any law abiding citizen can get one. I'm not as familiar with every states laws, only my own of New Jersey. Here it's very difficult, and we also have strict laws about firing a gun in your own home, even if you're defending yourself.

In a perfect world, I'd much rather not have guns anywhere but I don't see that happening anytime soon. Until they're all gone, I appreciate that I have a right to own one,and can defend myself if I so choose. I'm certainly not itching to do that, but comfortable in knowing I can. Truth be told it's really not something I give a lot of thought to. It's not like every time I hear a noise, I reach for a gun or sit at home at night with one on my lap.

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« Reply #634 on: Jan 2nd, 2015, 12:51pm »

I just came back from the grocery store, about a 10 minute drive each way from where I live.

The traffic in Miami Beach is insane at this time of year, and I lost count of the people I saw texting/looking at their phones while driving.


Does a lot more than get on my tits, it makes me so angry!!!
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« Reply #635 on: Jan 2nd, 2015, 12:59pm »

on Jan 2nd, 2015, 12:19pm, ericm wrote:
And to me it's perfectly understandable how, and why you feel that way.

I'm not saying you think, or feel this way, but it's not exactly the Wild West over here with everyone packing.



Thanks for that.

I think, the weapons aren`t the problem per se, but the people, who use them, or should I say, misuse them. There are a lot of events in the US, where lunatics use a gun to create a massacre. We have that in Europe, too, in spite of the fact, that firearms aren`t available here. In Germany a couple of years ago a pupil took away the gun of his father, who is a hunter and therefore had the right to own a gun, and killed several pupils and teachers in his school. The shotgun was closed in a closet, but the pupil stole the key from his father and reached for the gun.

There is never perfect security, but it seems reasonable, that weapons should be minimized in numbers to minimize the danger of misuse. The more difficult it is to have a gun, the less probable it is, that anyone should take and misuse it.
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« Reply #636 on: Jan 2nd, 2015, 3:07pm »

on Jan 2nd, 2015, 12:59pm, slowdancer wrote:
There is never perfect security, but it seems reasonable, that weapons should be minimized in numbers to minimize the danger of misuse. The more difficult it is to have a gun, the less probable it is, that anyone should take and misuse it.


I 100% agree, and am all for much stricter laws for both getting guns, and penalties if they are misused.



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« Reply #637 on: Jan 2nd, 2015, 3:09pm »

on Jan 2nd, 2015, 12:59pm, slowdancer wrote:
There is never perfect security, but it seems reasonable, that weapons should be minimized in numbers to minimize the danger of misuse. The more difficult it is to have a gun, the less probable it is, that anyone should take and misuse it.


And this statement, though simplified, is the key.

Again, I would point you in the direction of the gun laws in Australia. If you haven't seen the three part series The Daily Show did on Australia's gun laws then watch it. It's still up on YouTube...
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« Reply #638 on: Jan 5th, 2015, 04:24am »

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There is a fundamental and I use that word advisedly, contradiction at work here in the USA. On the one hand the "right" to bear arms is enshrined in whatever ammendment to the constitution it is covered by and yet America is an allegedly religious country with Christianity at its core. Surely therefore the Sixth Commandment overrides the Constitution? Simplistic maybe but surely anyone who considers it morally or ethically correct to teach children how to use guns or uses them themselves does not consider that killing is morally reprensible.


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« Reply #639 on: Jan 5th, 2015, 04:57am »

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And for those of you that say you can't legislate on this issue may I point out that in the wake of the Dunblane massacre here in the UK, the private ownership of guns was outlawed. If the US Senate can't do the same then they are both cowards and morally reprehnsible in my book. Does the gun lobby rule the country or not?
I am not saying that we don't still have gun crime here in the UK because we do, but at least our citizens aren't in danger going about their lawful occasions because some twelve year old with a grudge decides to take grannies' twelve bore out of its case and take pot shots at people.


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« Reply #640 on: Jan 5th, 2015, 05:12am »

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« Reply #641 on: Jan 5th, 2015, 05:59am »

So, Paul McCartney and Kanye West recently collaborated. I personally don't care about this collaboration, I have no interest in anything Paul McCartney puts out anymore. However, I'm instead irritated by the ignorant Facebook and Twitter Beatles fans who are pathetically gullible and can't take even the most simplistic of jokes. When the McCartney/West song was released, several obvious troll tweets came up on Twitter, saying things like "Who is Paul McCartney?", "This new McCartney guy is going to be big!" and "Kayne is going to launch Paul's career".

And of course, the dumbest teenage Beatles fans took the bait and flew right off the handle. "Oh my god! Some people don't know who Paul McCartney is!", "I've lost all faith in humanity!", "This is why music is dead!" and "WTF?! I'm only 15 years old and I know who Paul McCartney is!" among various other over-offended Facebook comments and tweets. Sigh... you'd think that by now people would be able to easily identify troll posts. rolleyes
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« Reply #642 on: Jan 5th, 2015, 08:05am »

I'm not certain they are troll posts...... rolleyes

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« Reply #643 on: Jan 5th, 2015, 09:21am »

on Jan 5th, 2015, 08:05am, John Wilkinson wrote:
I'm not certain they are troll posts...... rolleyes

They very likely are. Trust me, Beatles fans (as well as fans of many other 1960s-1980s classic rock groups) can be very easy to upset. Just check out this obvious troll article the Daily Mirror posted back in 2011:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/why-one-direction-are-better-than-the-beatles-156810

The above article resulted in a mountain of angry replies, including death threats, from readers who were unaware that it was mere sarcasm. Those posts on Twitter were exactly that - sarcastic jokes fabricated by people who knew they would easily piss off young and gullible Beatles fans. And because these types of people love to wage war on artists and genres they despise instead of simply doing their best to ignore them, it worked.
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« Reply #644 on: Jan 5th, 2015, 11:30am »

on Jan 5th, 2015, 04:24am, alanh wrote:
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There is a fundamental and I use that word advisedly, contradiction at work here in the USA. On the one hand the "right" to bear arms is enshrined in whatever ammendment to the constitution it is covered by and yet America is an allegedly religious country with Christianity at its core. Surely therefore the Sixth Commandment overrides the Constitution? Simplistic maybe but surely anyone who considers it morally or ethically correct to teach children how to use guns or uses them themselves does not consider that killing is morally reprensible.


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No, you are mistaken in thinking any religion in the US will override our Constitution. One of the mainstays here, has, and will forever be the separation of Church, and State.

No single religion is more important than another, and for the most part they don't factor into the rules governing society. A person who is an Atheist has the exact same rights as the most religious people.

There are many religions practiced here in the States, and there's no way laws can be written to satisfy them all without offending another or denying one of their rights. That is one of the reasons why they are separated from State matters. Prayer has been taken out of the Public schools, and imposing any type of religious doctrine on what a person has to do, should be doing, or is allowed to do is a violation of their civil rights.

So while the 6th Commandment is important to many, the Constitution is important to ALL. The choice to bear arms is still a right, and something they themselves are free to decide if they want to do. Personally, I am a Christian and do my best to follow all the Commandments. I do consider killing to be morally reprehensible, and would never just take another life for no reason. That said, I sure as hell would defend my,and my families life against someone trying to take it away from us. I'm not turning the other cheek or just stand idly by and let someone put their lives in jeopardy, and damn sure not going to apologize for feeling that way. Whether here or to my priest.

I agree with you about kids being taught how to use guns, especially automatic ones, and not really sure why you feel the need to keep bringing it up. No responsible gun owner I know thinks that's a good idea. I can guarantee you the people who teach kids to use a gun are in the small minority, at least around here.I don't think I've ever seen a kid under the driving age at the range I have gone to. I don't think it's fair to view all gun owning parents the same way because of one tragedy or think we are all as irresponsible as a few.
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