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« Reply #4065 on: Mar 7th, 2016, 2:58pm »

on Mar 7th, 2016, 2:40pm, CountingOutTime wrote:
If I thought Bernie could win, I'd vote for him. The Republicans have ruined their party, shot themselves in the foot over and over. No wonder Nancy Reagan chose to leave this earth before the election. Her husband was the last great conservative to hold the office of President of the United States. If John Kasick had a good chance to be nominated, he'd be a great Republican option as well. I'm betting the Republican party dissolves after this election. We should be voting for the best person anyway, not across party lines. The parties have divided the nation, it seems, almost irreparably.

What makes Bernie Sanders appealing to many of us non-Americans is thatís heís supported by ordinary people rather than by corporate & party machines & establishment interests - & yes, thatís partly true of Trump & maybe explains why they've both done so well so far: people everywhere are getting sick of the same old parties whose main interest seems to be in preserving their own status & privileges.
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« Reply #4066 on: Mar 7th, 2016, 3:14pm »

on Mar 7th, 2016, 2:58pm, boredatwork wrote:
What makes Bernie Sanders appealing to many of us non-Americans is thatís heís supported by ordinary people rather than by corporate & party machines & establishment interests - & yes, thatís partly true of Trump & maybe explains why they've both done so well so far: people everywhere are getting sick of the same old parties whose main interest seems to be in preserving their own status & privileges.


I like Bernie for those same reasons. Early on in the campaign, I was interested in hearing Trump's plan for the country, but he's just absolutely bonkers. I'm aligned with some of the things he says he wants to do. The fact that so many people are still willing to vote for him tells you how much the country wants change. It's been a do-nothing Congress for the last almost 8 years. Most of the inaction is due to the fact that the conservatives in Congress didn't want to do anything that made Obama look good, at the cost of the entire country's wellbeing. There was a time when that kind of thing would be considered treason, punishable by imprisonment or death.
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« Reply #4067 on: Mar 8th, 2016, 01:00am »

on Mar 7th, 2016, 2:40pm, CountingOutTime wrote:
The Republicans have ruined their party, shot themselves in the foot over and over. No wonder Nancy Reagan chose to leave this earth before the election.


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« Reply #4068 on: Mar 8th, 2016, 08:13am »

on Mar 7th, 2016, 2:53pm, boredatwork wrote:
Age doesnít seem to be such a barrier in the US. Ronald Reagan was nearly 70 when he became president & since then 2 Republican nominees for president, John McCain & Bob Dole have been over 70.


Indeed, it could be argued that age should be a good thing, for, in theory, with age comes experience. Sadly, there are plenty of cases (internationally) where this has proved not to apply, but in any case, IMO, age shouldn't really come into it. May the BEST person win. Who that may be, again, tests opinions. wink

(But it isn't Trump.)
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« Reply #4069 on: Mar 8th, 2016, 08:17am »

on Mar 7th, 2016, 3:14pm, CountingOutTime wrote:
I like Bernie for those same reasons. Early on in the campaign, I was interested in hearing Trump's plan for the country, but he's just absolutely bonkers. I'm aligned with some of the things he says he wants to do. The fact that so many people are still willing to vote for him tells you how much the country wants change. It's been a do-nothing Congress for the last almost 8 years. Most of the inaction is due to the fact that the conservatives in Congress didn't want to do anything that made Obama look good, at the cost of the entire country's wellbeing. There was a time when that kind of thing would be considered treason, punishable by imprisonment or death.


This does seem to be a major flaw in the US political system. We have the House of Lords, again massively flawed, but at least it's ability to interfere is very limited, so that the elected government (I know, we could argue the validity of that one for days) can at least get on with business. Till the EU interferes! wink

Look at us! discussing politics and no one has been thumped yet! grin
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« Reply #4070 on: Mar 8th, 2016, 09:38am »

on Mar 8th, 2016, 08:17am, foxfeeder wrote:
Look at us! discussing politics and no one has been thumped yet! grin


I was just thinking that. Awesome. smiley

I am living in the US and surrounded by all this Election madness, but I'm not American so I don't have to decide.

IF I were though, Bernie's age would bother me, a lot would depend on his choice for vice-president. Kasick is the only reasonably sane Republican right now (I'm all for less government and personal liberty, but man oh man, this crowd is beyond embarrassing for the US), but his odds of being nominated are very slim.

I'm am pulled towards Hillary, yes because she's a woman and I think she must have some serious balls to survive in that cesspool for so long. I really don't see what is so bad that other haven't. Yes she is unlikeable, but I can't help but admire her tenacity, and she does have a lot of experience.



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« Reply #4071 on: Mar 8th, 2016, 2:16pm »

on Mar 8th, 2016, 09:38am, Lily wrote:
I am living in the US and surrounded by all this Election madness, but I'm not American so I don't have to decide.





Even if you were an American you still wouldn't have to decide. As I understand it, voting isn't compulsory....it should be
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« Reply #4072 on: Mar 8th, 2016, 2:36pm »

on Mar 8th, 2016, 2:16pm, Yild4Genesis wrote:
Even if you were an American you still wouldn't have to decide. As I understand it, voting isn't compulsory....it should be
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It should be...why? Better to not vote at all if you don't understand what you are voting for!
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« Reply #4073 on: Mar 8th, 2016, 2:48pm »

on Mar 8th, 2016, 2:36pm, Lily wrote:
It should be...why? Better to not vote at all if you don't understand what you are voting for!


Because you have to make your mind up. Non compulsory voting IMO leads to the voter who has more extreme agendas voting for a politician who is only pandering to gain their vote. If everyone had to vote then people who can see through the BS that is people like Trump and Cruz would need to vote instead of being apathetic about it.
It's important to remember that just because you would need to vote, doesn't necessarily mean you need to vote for any politician you do not believe in. You are within your rights to hand in a blank form if you don't believe in any of the parties...
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« Reply #4074 on: Mar 8th, 2016, 4:13pm »

on Mar 8th, 2016, 2:36pm, Lily wrote:
It should be...why? Better to not vote at all if you don't understand what you are voting for!


I agree. I'd much rather someone not vote than to just vote because they do what their family/friends etc tell them to.

Besides, isn't not voting a way to actually exercise your voting rights? It's telling politicians you're not happy with any candidate and want better. Not voting can send a message too,IMO.
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« Reply #4075 on: Mar 8th, 2016, 4:24pm »

on Mar 8th, 2016, 4:13pm, ericm wrote:
I agree. I'd much rather someone not vote than to just vote because they do what their family/friends etc tell them to.


Yeah, but then those who don't vote tend to whine after the election about who actually got into office. As far as I'm concerned, if you don't vote, you should keep your comments to yourself after the election.
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« Reply #4076 on: Mar 8th, 2016, 5:45pm »

on Mar 8th, 2016, 4:24pm, CountingOutTime wrote:
Yeah, but then those who don't vote tend to whine after the election about who actually got into office. As far as I'm concerned, if you don't vote, you should keep your comments to yourself after the election.


Totally agree. I was taught that a long time ago. smiley

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« Reply #4077 on: Mar 8th, 2016, 7:59pm »

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« Reply #4078 on: Mar 8th, 2016, 8:54pm »

Or, as I said if you don't like any of the politicians nominated, hand in a blank vote card. You still have your say at voting time that you disagree with them all. Then you can b*tch all you want!
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« Reply #4079 on: Mar 9th, 2016, 05:25am »

on Mar 8th, 2016, 2:48pm, Yild4Genesis wrote:
Because you have to make your mind up. Non compulsory voting IMO leads to the voter who has more extreme agendas voting for a politician who is only pandering to gain their vote. If everyone had to vote then people who can see through the BS that is people like Trump and Cruz would need to vote instead of being apathetic about it.
It's important to remember that just because you would need to vote, doesn't necessarily mean you need to vote for any politician you do not believe in. You are within your rights to hand in a blank form if you don't believe in any of the parties...

But Australians & Americans have a luxury that we British don't - your vote could actually make a difference.

Unfortunately our first past the post system means that most of our votes will make no difference whatsoever. We have the crazy situation where parties that get a total of approx 4 million votes & 1 million votes respectively get only 1 Member of Parliament apiece, while a party that gets 1.5 million votes gets 56 Members out of a total of 650.

Unless you live in a marginal constituency your vote will not count, so making voting compulsory here would just add insult to injury. sad
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