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« Reply #3825 on: Aug 10th, 2015, 2:57pm »

on Aug 10th, 2015, 1:54pm, CountingOutTime wrote:
Actually, Nickelback is a band

I'm glad that you enjoy them.
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« Reply #3826 on: Aug 10th, 2015, 3:46pm »

on Aug 10th, 2015, 2:57pm, HENRY wrote:
I'm glad that you enjoy them.


Yeah, I guess that's one then..
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« Reply #3827 on: Aug 10th, 2015, 7:43pm »

on Aug 10th, 2015, 12:11pm, Schrottrocker wrote:
The European Union is a federation of countries. They all existed before and can still exist as sovereign countries without being member of this club called EU. The USA is just one country. It is itself member in some clubs, for example the NATO, in which a lot of the European countries are members too.

Every country in the world (with only very few exceptions) has some sort of geographical subdistricts which are able to do some independent stuff on their own to a limited extent, such as having certain laws that will apply exclusively within their border. In the US those are the states. In Germany they are called "Bundesländer", literally translated "federal lands". France calls its districts "régions". It's all the same though. The UK is a bit of a mystery for me though because first of all there's the quartet of England, Scotland, Wales, and North Ireland, then there's the counties. I don't know which layer corresponds to what states, regions etc. would be in other countries.



There was talk of having "regional assemblies" in England which presumably would have incorporated a number of neighbouring counties into a political entity but the idea never really took off.

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« Reply #3828 on: Aug 11th, 2015, 05:38am »

on Aug 10th, 2015, 12:11pm, Schrottrocker wrote:
Every country in the world (with only very few exceptions) has some sort of geographical subdistricts which are able to do some independent stuff on their own to a limited extent, such as having certain laws that will apply exclusively within their border. In the US those are the states. In Germany they are called "Bundesländer", literally translated "federal lands". France calls its districts "régions". It's all the same though.

You may very well continue to label States in the USA as insignificant geographical subdivisions, just like your Bundeslander. But you are still vastly understating and misunderstanding the power and the autonomy of the States.

But why listen to me? rolleyes And why am I even having this discussion? wink

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« Reply #3829 on: Aug 11th, 2015, 07:22am »

on Aug 11th, 2015, 05:38am, Dust wrote:
You may very well continue to label States in the USA as insignificant geographical subdivisions, just like your Bundeslander. But you are still vastly understating and misunderstanding the power and the autonomy of the States.

But why listen to me? rolleyes And why am I even having this discussion? wink




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« Reply #3830 on: Aug 11th, 2015, 07:25am »

on Aug 10th, 2015, 12:25pm, Dust wrote:
Umm, no. Unclealbert said "British Counties are the equivalent of other countries' States." Witchwood pointed out that both are geographic subdivisions, which is fine, but the original comment--no offense, Al--is about as accurate as saying "British cats are the equivalent of other countries' fish." Sure... in the sense that they're both living things.

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Yes I meant geographically, in response to Schrottrocker's question....

Having lived in the US I am aware of the administrative/political not to mention size differences between US States and UK Counties.

But in general, a person living in the UK would consider UK Counties to be the "equivalent" of US States as they are geographical subdivisions of the Country.
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« Reply #3831 on: Aug 11th, 2015, 07:37am »

on Aug 11th, 2015, 07:25am, unclealbert wrote:
But in general, a person living in the UK would consider UK Counties to be the "equivalent" of US States as they are geographical subdivisions of the Country.

In the same way that my bathroom closet is the "equivalent" of your dining room, as they are both subdivisions of our homes.

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« Reply #3832 on: Aug 11th, 2015, 08:03am »

on Aug 11th, 2015, 07:25am, unclealbert wrote:
Yes I meant geographically, in response to Schrottrocker's question....

Having lived in the US I am aware of the administrative/political not to mention size differences between US States and UK Counties.

But in general, a person living in the UK would consider UK Counties to be the "equivalent" of US States as they are geographical subdivisions of the Country.


I suppose it all depends on one's definition of "equivalent". If you just mean "ways of splitting the country up into recognisable sections", yes, they are. For the purposes of political division, maybe, as counties have councils that may be run by majority rule by one party over others, and US states are by governors or senators. but for application of laws etc, our countries (England, Scotland etc) probably relate more to US states, now they are getting their own assemblies/government.

And that's just comparing the US to the UK. Factor in other countries and there's no logical reason why there should be any country-to-country relevant comparison. There is no hard and fast rule to how countries/continents are subdivided or ruled. Look at Africa! Or the moon! wink

Clearly, people here see different reasons to compare country sub-division, so agreement is unlikely. Apples and Oranges, really.
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« Reply #3833 on: Aug 11th, 2015, 08:32am »

on Aug 11th, 2015, 07:37am, Dust wrote:
In the same way that my bathroom closet is the "equivalent" of your dining room, as they are both subdivisions of our homes.

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« Reply #3834 on: Aug 11th, 2015, 09:14am »

on Aug 11th, 2015, 07:37am, Dust wrote:
In the same way that my bathroom closet is the "equivalent" of your dining room, as they are both subdivisions of our homes.

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Why are you so upset about me (and the majority of UK people) considering US States and UK Counties as geographically equivalent? I don't understand huh

Are you just looking for an argument here?

Let me know and I'll complain to the UK public on your behalf.

Schrottrocker even suggested some UK Counties which all appear on the map of English Counties I shared.

Wish I hadn't bothered now angry
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« Reply #3835 on: Aug 11th, 2015, 09:33am »

I don't get it huh Sure each country has different systems in lots of respects but saying you can't compare nothing seems a little odd. I was mainly going by "geographical entities that have a capital city".

Every country has a capital city and - huh? What? Yea, okay, okay, Vatican, you are special. You're a country and you don't have a capital city. It's ok, we all love you (or not). Now, back to...sorry, I got interrupted. Where did I stop? Oh yea, right. Every country has a capital city, and every country has districts by whatever name that have their own capital cities as well. I guess we can agree this far? No need to get emotional. Oh and the German state of Bayern (Bavaria) greatly wishes to be its own country, just like Texas in the US. wink
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« Reply #3836 on: Aug 11th, 2015, 09:38am »

on Aug 11th, 2015, 09:33am, Schrottrocker wrote:
Oh and the German state of Bayern (Bavaria) greatly wishes to be its own country.


Don`t forget, that, on the other hand, Franken desperately seeks to separate from Bavaria.

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« Reply #3837 on: Aug 11th, 2015, 10:03am »

on Aug 11th, 2015, 05:38am, Dust wrote:
You may very well continue to label States in the USA as insignificant geographical subdivisions, just like your Bundeslander. But you are still vastly understating and misunderstanding the power and the autonomy of the States.


There must be some misunderstanding. There must be some kind of mistake.

The German Bundesländer and the American States are very comparable in terms of power, autonomy and - seen relatively - in geographical expansion.


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« Reply #3838 on: Aug 11th, 2015, 10:47am »

on Aug 11th, 2015, 09:14am, unclealbert wrote:
Why are you so upset about me (and the majority of UK people) considering US States and UK Counties as geographically equivalent? I don't understand huh

What makes you think I'm upset? I have completely acknowledged that your use of "geographically equivalent" is fine and dandy. But that's not where you started. You said "equivalent," which, in my opinion, is simplistic and is actually misleading to people in the UK who may truly wish to better understand how States within the US function and affect the lives of their citizens.

I'm simply trying to help educate here, to the extent that I have some clarifying information that many may not be aware of.

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Are you just looking for an argument here?

No, I'm looking for you to even vaguely acknowledge the information that I have offered to expand and broaden the discussion instead of ignoring it and dismissing it out of hand.

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Wish I hadn't bothered now angry

Your initial post was very much welcomed. But if your idea of a discussion is to post something, and then to simply keep repeating it regardless of what anyone else contributes, than maybe you shouldn't bother.

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I appreciate the discussion, and as I've said here many times... although I post things that I honestly think may be of interest to others... I just come here to have fun. smiley

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« Reply #3839 on: Aug 11th, 2015, 10:52am »

on Aug 11th, 2015, 10:03am, slowdancer wrote:
There must be some misunderstanding. There must be some kind of mistake.

The German Bundesländer and the American States are very comparable in terms of power, autonomy and - seen relatively - in geographical expansion.


My sincere apologies. I am honestly unfamiliar with how the Bundeslanders operate... but I like the word. smiley
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