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« Reply #3810 on: Aug 9th, 2015, 1:19pm »

Merseyside and Greater Manchester are still Lancashire to me
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« Reply #3811 on: Aug 10th, 2015, 05:49am »

on Aug 9th, 2015, 08:28am, unclealbert wrote:
British Counties are equivalent of other Countries' States.

Yeah, no. I'm not sure how you're defining "equivalent", but clearly your comment doesn't apply to the US.
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« Reply #3812 on: Aug 10th, 2015, 07:02am »

on Aug 10th, 2015, 05:49am, Dust wrote:
Yeah, no. I'm not sure how you're defining "equivalent", but clearly your comment doesn't apply to the US.


Why? What is equivalent then?
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« Reply #3813 on: Aug 10th, 2015, 07:22am »

on Aug 9th, 2015, 08:28am, unclealbert wrote:
British Counties are equivalent of other Countries' States...


on Aug 10th, 2015, 05:49am, Dust wrote:
Yeah, no. I'm not sure how you're defining "equivalent", but clearly your comment doesn't apply to the US.


Clearly not equivalent in size (the province I live in, for example, is four times the size of the entire UK) but it is equivalent in the sense their counties are an integral part of a mailing address - just as our states and provinces are in NA.


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« Reply #3814 on: Aug 10th, 2015, 08:52am »

on Aug 10th, 2015, 07:02am, Schrottrocker wrote:
Why? What is equivalent then?

on Aug 10th, 2015, 07:22am, Witchwood wrote:
Clearly not equivalent in size (the province I live in, for example, is four times the size of the entire UK) but it is equivalent in the sense their counties are an integral part of a mailing address - just as our states and provinces are in NA.

Well, size goes without saying. All of the United Kingdom is about the size of Alabama.

I do have to admit that I am not very familiar with the workings of local or regional government in the UK, so I briefly reviewed this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_government_in_England

Based upon that and without further study, I probably cannot hold an intelligent discussion on the precise details of how a state in the US differs from a county in the UK. But States are virtually autonomous in making laws with the exception of certain federal mainstays and/or when a specific State Law conflicts with the US Constitution.

The taxes you pay, how fast you can drive, whether you're eligible for certain Federal healthcare and other social programs, whom you can marry, whether you can legally smoke pot or use other drugs, how businesses can operate, the prison systems, the educational systems, the transportation systems... I don't know, that's just a tiny laundry list of how US States operate largely as entirely separate entities from one another. I'm always fascinated when I read something like, for example, "The Governor of California is one of the ten most powerful people in the world," in terms of the effects on the most people's lives.

To Schrott's question above, in the US we have states, counties, cities, towns, townships, boroughs, districts, villages... I don't know what would be the closest equivalent to a county in the UK. Perhaps the concept of the European Union could provide some insight, whereby our states are the countries and our Federal Government is the EU. Perhaps Greece exiting the EU is analogous to Texas seceding from the US.

Dunno....

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« Reply #3815 on: Aug 10th, 2015, 09:33am »

on Aug 10th, 2015, 08:52am, Dust wrote:
Well, size goes without saying. All of the United Kingdom is about the size of Alabama.

I do have to admit that I am not very familiar with the workings of local or regional government in the UK, so I briefly reviewed this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_government_in_England

Based upon that and without further study, I probably cannot hold an intelligent discussion on the precise details of how a state in the US differs from a county in the UK. But States are virtually autonomous in making laws with the exception of certain federal mainstays and/or when a specific State Law conflicts with the US Constitution.

The taxes you pay, how fast you can drive, whether you're eligible for certain Federal healthcare and other social programs, whom you can marry, whether you can legally smoke pot or use other drugs, how businesses can operate, the prison systems, the educational systems, the transportation systems... I don't know, that's just a tiny laundry list of how US States operate largely as entirely separate entities from one another. I'm always fascinated when I read something like, for example, "The Governor of California is one of the ten most powerful people in the world," in terms of the effects on the most people's lives.

To Schrott's question above, in the US we have states, counties, cities, towns, townships, boroughs, districts, villages... I don't know what would be the closest equivalent to a county in the UK. Perhaps the concept of the European Union could provide some insight, whereby our states are the countries and our Federal Government is the EU. Perhaps Greece exiting the EU is analogous to Texas seceding from the US.

Dunno....

Yeah, I agree with Dusty, I don't think you can really make the comparison between British counties and "states" in other countries, other than they are all simply politically defined geographic subdivisions. How they are defined, organized, and run can be very different.
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« Reply #3816 on: Aug 10th, 2015, 09:50am »

on Aug 10th, 2015, 07:22am, Witchwood wrote:
Clearly not equivalent in size (the province I live in, for example, is four times the size of the entire UK) but it is equivalent in the sense their counties are an integral part of a mailing address - just as our states and provinces are in NA.




Here is the answer, it was a simple reference to geography, you guys are over thinking this!
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« Reply #3817 on: Aug 10th, 2015, 10:00am »

on Aug 10th, 2015, 09:50am, Lily wrote:
Here is the answer, it was a simple reference to geography, you guys are over thinking this!

My impression is that Dusty's contention was that the comparison was a bit vague and overly simplistic.
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« Reply #3818 on: Aug 10th, 2015, 10:22am »

on Aug 10th, 2015, 08:52am, Dust wrote:
Well, size goes without saying. All of the United Kingdom is about the size of Alabama.

Actually, the UK is a lot bigger than that, closer to the size of Oregon.

It's actually scary to think that you could fit the entirety of the UK in just one state. Sure, it's a pretty big state, but Oregon could include all of London, Edinburgh, Leeds, Manchester, Birmingham, Liverpool, Belfast, Cardiff, Glasgow, Newcastle, Oxford, Cambridge, Bristol, Nottingham, Plymouth, Sheffield, York, Portsmouth, Bradford, Leicester, Swansea, Aberdeen, Dundee, Salford, Coventry, Newport, Sunderland, Brighton, Southampton, Wakefield and many, many more cities and towns.
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« Reply #3819 on: Aug 10th, 2015, 12:11pm »

The European Union is a federation of countries. They all existed before and can still exist as sovereign countries without being member of this club called EU. The USA is just one country. It is itself member in some clubs, for example the NATO, in which a lot of the European countries are members too.

Every country in the world (with only very few exceptions) has some sort of geographical subdistricts which are able to do some independent stuff on their own to a limited extent, such as having certain laws that will apply exclusively within their border. In the US those are the states. In Germany they are called "Bundesländer", literally translated "federal lands". France calls its districts "régions". It's all the same though. The UK is a bit of a mystery for me though because first of all there's the quartet of England, Scotland, Wales, and North Ireland, then there's the counties. I don't know which layer corresponds to what states, regions etc. would be in other countries.
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« Reply #3820 on: Aug 10th, 2015, 12:25pm »

on Aug 10th, 2015, 09:50am, Lily wrote:
Here is the answer, it was a simple reference to geography, you guys are over thinking this!

Umm, no. Unclealbert said "British Counties are the equivalent of other countries' States." Witchwood pointed out that both are geographic subdivisions, which is fine, but the original comment--no offense, Al--is about as accurate as saying "British cats are the equivalent of other countries' fish." Sure... in the sense that they're both living things.

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« Reply #3821 on: Aug 10th, 2015, 12:38pm »

on Aug 10th, 2015, 12:11pm, Schrottrocker wrote:
The European Union is a federation of countries. They all existed before and can still exist as sovereign countries without being member of this club called EU. The USA is just one country.

This is true. My very loose analogy notwithstanding, Texas was an independent nation for several years before it became a State... and there are many there who wish to return to that status.
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« Reply #3822 on: Aug 10th, 2015, 1:11pm »

on Aug 10th, 2015, 12:25pm, Dust wrote:
Umm, no. Unclealbert said "British Counties are the equivalent of other countries' States." Witchwood pointed out that both are geographic subdivisions, which is fine, but the original comment--no offense, Al--is about as accurate as saying "British cats are the equivalent of other countries' fish." Sure... in the sense that they're both living things.

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Or that Nickelback is the equivalent to Genesis because they both are "bands". grin
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« Reply #3823 on: Aug 10th, 2015, 1:24pm »

on Aug 10th, 2015, 1:11pm, HENRY wrote:
Or that Nickelback is the equivalent to Genesis because they both are "bands". grin

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« Reply #3824 on: Aug 10th, 2015, 1:54pm »

on Aug 10th, 2015, 1:11pm, HENRY wrote:
Or that Nickelback is the equivalent to Genesis because they both are "bands". grin


Actually, Nickelback is a band whereas Genesis is an ex-band, bereft of life.
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