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« Reply #1020 on: Jun 7th, 2013, 09:48am »

on Jun 7th, 2013, 09:18am, Dust wrote:
F*ck interesting. Give me a well-written song with a strong melody and great musicianship, and I'm happy. smiley


To an extent I agree with this. I love most of the classic prog groups, but I'm not fond of some of the newer ones because some try too hard to sound like prog. That's why I love Marillion and Porcupine Tree the most out of the the modern progressive rock bands - because they make music that sounds intricate and sophisticated but at the same time listenable and fresh. They don't need to rely on prog stereotypes.
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« Reply #1021 on: Jun 7th, 2013, 09:56am »

on Jun 7th, 2013, 06:49am, Down And Out wrote:
I think that a lot of prog rock is rubbish.


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« Reply #1022 on: Jun 7th, 2013, 10:44am »

on Jun 7th, 2013, 08:01am, Down And Out wrote:
When it's good, it's the best; when it's bad, it's terrible. It can be self-indulgent, tuneless and downright boring. But remember, that's just my opinion. wink

on Jun 7th, 2013, 09:18am, Dust wrote:
I concur, as many here already know. I believe the cream rises to the top, and the more talented artists find an audience. Occasionally I'll buy Prog-Rock Magazine, which comes with a CD of music by lesser-know Prog artists. Most of the music--in my opinion--is awful.

Now, bad music is bad music, whether it's rock, pop, folk, or whatever. But Prog often has that aura of, "Hey we're different... we don't follow standard musical conventions... listen to how interesting we are."

F*ck interesting. Give me a well-written song with a strong melody and great musicianship, and I'm happy. smiley

Agree with all of that!
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« Reply #1023 on: Jun 7th, 2013, 11:14am »

I really, really wish Marillion's great song Beyond You wasn't in mono. undecided Is there a stereo version somewhere?
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« Reply #1024 on: Jun 7th, 2013, 1:21pm »

Give me Invisible Touch over Fragile (by Yes) any day!!
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« Reply #1025 on: Jun 7th, 2013, 1:51pm »

on Jun 7th, 2013, 1:21pm, Merryman72 wrote:
Give me Invisible Touch over Fragile (by Yes) any day!!


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« Reply #1026 on: Jun 7th, 2013, 3:44pm »

I find this forum split into 2 halves between progressive music as with Genesis too! wink smiley!.. I like a lot of instrumental, melody, keyboards, guitar, emotion and originality in a band. Regardless if this is progressive or not. But my style and interests point towards progressive more and not in a bias way. Certain bands do not appeal to me and sound very bland!.. I tend not to follow the flock and that goes with life too as we all end up being influenced by media and what people regard as good may not be!... I trust my own instinct and that what makes us all unique as all of us like Genesis, but hate other bands that others find interesting!...... smiley
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« Reply #1027 on: Jun 7th, 2013, 4:22pm »

on Jun 7th, 2013, 3:44pm, Noni wrote:
I find this forum split into 2 halves between progressive music as with Genesis too! wink smiley!.. I like a lot of instrumental, melody, keyboards, guitar, emotion and originality in a band. Regardless if this is progressive or not. But my style and interests point towards progressive more and not in a bias way. Certain bands do not appeal to me and sound very bland!.. I tend not to follow the flock and that goes with life too as we all end up being influenced by media and what people regard as good may not be!... I trust my own instinct and that what makes us all unique as all of us like Genesis, but hate other bands that others find interesting!...... smiley


I think of music as I do food.
Thai may be exotic and interesting, but I don't want it every day.
The same goes for prog. It's on my menu, but I also have an appetite for classic rock, blues, folk, and some jazz-fusion and heavy metal.

I listen to at least 2 to 4 discs of music every day. As much as I love my music, I would start to get bored listening to the same genre over and over again.
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« Reply #1028 on: Jun 7th, 2013, 4:25pm »

on Jun 7th, 2013, 3:44pm, Noni wrote:
I find this forum split into 2 halves between progressive music as with Genesis too! wink smiley!..

I think you’re being over generous in saying “two halves”, since the prog semi-sceptics on here are in a tiny minority consisting of Down & Out, Dust, me & .... er, well, that’s probably it wink
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« Reply #1029 on: Jun 7th, 2013, 4:36pm »

on Jun 7th, 2013, 4:25pm, boredatwork wrote:
I think you’re being over generous in saying “two halves”, since the prog semi-sceptics on here are in a tiny minority consisting of Down & Out, Dust, me & .... er, well, that’s probably it wink


Agree, I kind of tell with bands such as Elbow. With the albums such as Seldom Seen Kid being more of the progressive side compared to others they released . Which D&O do not regard their favourite and others here too!
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« Reply #1030 on: Jun 7th, 2013, 4:39pm »

on Jun 7th, 2013, 4:25pm, boredatwork wrote:
I think you’re being over generous in saying “two halves”, since the prog semi-sceptics on here are in a tiny minority consisting of Down & Out, Dust, me & .... er, well, that’s probably it wink


I don't think you're in as much of a minority as you seem to think. Even I, a bit of a prog-lover, agree with a lot of what Dust and Down and Out have said. In fact, I'm probably almost as "prog-semi-sceptic" as Down and Out - yes, I like Pink Floyd, Porcupine Tree and a lot of Yes, as well as a smattering of Camel, Rush, King Crimson, Jethro Tull and Dream Theater (even The Flower Kings now, apparently! shocked), but I have heard some really dire prog too, including by some of the artists I mentioned above. Dream Theater, in particular, have a horrible knack of making great melodies and ideas and then bloating their songs with completely unnecessary fiddly bits and showy solos. rolleyes
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« Reply #1031 on: Jun 7th, 2013, 4:58pm »

on Jun 7th, 2013, 4:39pm, Merryman72 wrote:
I don't think you're in as much of a minority as you seem to think. Even I, a bit of a prog-lover, agree with a lot of what Dust and Down and Out have said. In fact, I'm probably almost as "prog-semi-sceptic" as Down and Out - yes, I like Pink Floyd, Porcupine Tree and a lot of Yes, as well as a smattering of Camel, Rush, King Crimson, Jethro Tull and Dream Theater (even The Flower Kings now, apparently! shocked), but I have heard some really dire prog too, including by some of the artists I mentioned above. Dream Theater, in particular, have a horrible knack of making great melodies and ideas and then bloating their songs with completely unnecessary fiddly bits and showy solos. rolleyes


Would like to point out that progressive music has vastly expanded over the years and included genres such as heavy and metal, which does not appeal to my taste! smiley

I am not partial to this kind of music and tend to go more for Neo, Symphonic and folk more which all started in the '70s and moved into the '80s and developed a lot more now! smiley

Would not class Dream Theater or Rush as progressive bands, more as a rock band as they don't have those complicated time structures associated with their music.... wink
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« Reply #1032 on: Jun 7th, 2013, 5:16pm »

on Jun 7th, 2013, 4:58pm, Noni wrote:
Would not class Dream Theater or Rush as progressive bands, more as a rock band as they don't have those complicated time structures associated with their music.... wink


Dream Theater definitely do have complicated time structures associated with their music... far too many!

(For instance, their ridiculous instrumental "Dance of Eternity" has over 128 changes in time signature in its 6 minutes. There's a fun fact for you!)

Rush have used complex time signatures as well.

(I would point out that, IMO at least, complicated time structures are not essential to progressive bands.)
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« Reply #1033 on: Jun 8th, 2013, 05:12am »

Wow! I've stirred up quite a debate about prog rock! grin wink
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« Reply #1034 on: Jun 8th, 2013, 05:15am »

on Jun 7th, 2013, 4:36pm, Noni wrote:
Agree, I kind of tell with bands such as Elbow. With the albums such as Seldom Seen Kid being more of the progressive side compared to others they released . Which D&O do not regard their favourite and others here too!

I do prefer Leaders Of The Free World to The Seldom Seen Kid. However, I don't particularly think that TSSK is more progressive. Still, what's in a label? wink
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