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« Reply #615 on: Jun 26th, 2015, 06:51am »

on Jun 26th, 2015, 03:24am, MartinH wrote:
Does anybody else have any films that they like despite poor reviews, or on the other hand highly praised films that leave them cold?

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"Neighbours" starring John Belushi and Dan Aykroyd was critically panned and a box-office flop.
But I really enjoyed it and embraced it as a quirky, dark comedy – easily among my favourite films by either of those two leads.

Off-hand, I can't think of any critically acclaimed films I disliked (though, I'm sure there are probably many).
The only ones I can think of right now are some of the popular films my wife dragged me to back when we were dating – St. Elmo's Fire, Sleepless In Seattle.
St. Elmo's was to me particularly loathsome, filled with clichéd characters, full of angst, none of whom I cared for. I recall sitting in that theatre, cross-armed and glaring at the screen, wishing a meteorite would just come crashing down to wipe them all out and abruptly end the film.
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« Reply #616 on: Jun 26th, 2015, 08:25am »

on Jun 26th, 2015, 03:24am, MartinH wrote:
Does anybody else have any films that they like despite poor reviews, or on the other hand highly praised films that leave them cold?

....To me David Lynch is about as unsettling and subtle as someone going “whooooooh!” in your face while making wide staring eyes and wiggling their hands in the air.

I agree with you about Lynch. Film critics tend to adore filmmakers who are different. I'll admit that Lynch does a better job than most with "disturbing" scenes, but that doesn't make him a great director. I'm not a big fan of Tim Burton, and while I like a lot of Tarantino, I am often turned-off when a filmmaker can almost be seen pretentiously smirking at the audience and saying, "See what I did there? Aren't I clever?" I generally love Scorcese, but I think his last one, The Wolf of Wall Street was gratuitously over the top.

One hugely-acclaimed film that gets me into arguments is No Country For Old Men. (Spoilers ahead.) I enjoyed the film and thought much of it was outstanding. I cannot, however, get past the anti-climactic narrative of the Josh Brolin character. Here's a movie that spends ninety minutes on a gripping cat-and-mouse struggle between hero and villain, and then just casually informs us, "Oh by the way, that guy we've been watching on the edge of seats was killed by some other guys. Story over."

Call me a traditionalist, but that was a huge cheat, and obviously what the Coen brothers intended. People say to me, "Oh, you need to have everything wrapped-up in a nice tidy Hollywood bow." Well no. If I've invested myself in the plight of a character, I'd like to see a true resolution to his story. I can make up my own ending about Tony Soprano--as was intended--but to just quit the story by showing a corpse on the floor is just baffling to me.

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« Reply #617 on: Jun 26th, 2015, 12:04pm »

on Jun 26th, 2015, 03:24am, MartinH wrote:
Does anybody else have any films that they like despite poor reviews, or on the other hand highly praised films that leave them cold?


I can probably think of a whole bunch, but a couple immediately pop into mind...


1941

Critically panned and considered to be Spielberg's first disappointment, but it's one of my favorites by him. I like the style of the film and I enjoy the quirky humour.
(Oddly, I'm not a big fan of Jurassic Park, which I thought was blatantly self-conscious film making.)

Slumdog Millionaire

Lots of critical acclaim and an Academy Award winner to boot, but I'm stumped. Predictable, illogical, and just plain annoying to sit through. An overly unbelievable story told in a bad way.


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On the other hand I'm simply baffled by the glowing praise for “Blue Velvet”. The heavy handed direction, clunky dialogue and wooden and/or over the top acting constantly throw me out of the film, so that I am always aware that I’m looking through a camera lens at a bunch of actors being asked to behave “oddly”. To me David Lynch is about as unsettling and subtle as someone going “whooooooh!” in your face while making wide staring eyes and wiggling their hands in the air. At least I know I’m not alone though, I saw this at the cinema and it got more laughs than quite a few “intentional” comedies that I’ve seen.

It's been awhile since I saw this film (on video), but I think Lynch is one of those guys where you either like his style of film making or you don't (lots of people have criticized Spielberg from the same perspective). The weird, offbeat creepiness of his work is something that can be either fascinating or annoying, depending on your point of view.

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« Reply #618 on: Jun 26th, 2015, 12:35pm »

on Jun 26th, 2015, 08:25am, Dust wrote:
One hugely-acclaimed film that gets me into arguments is No Country For Old Men. (Spoilers ahead.) I enjoyed the film and thought much of it was outstanding. I cannot, however, get past the anti-climactic narrative of the Josh Brolin character. Here's a movie that spends ninety minutes on a gripping cat-and-mouse struggle between hero and villain, and then just casually informs us, "Oh by the way, that guy we've been watching on the edge of seats was killed by some other guys. Story over."

Call me a traditionalist, but that was a huge cheat, and obviously what the Coen brothers intended. People say to me, "Oh, you need to have everything wrapped-up in a nice tidy Hollywood bow." Well no. If I've invested myself in the plight of a character, I'd like to see a true resolution to his story. I can make up my own ending about Tony Soprano--as was intended--but to just quit the story by showing a corpse on the floor is just baffling to me.

Well, it wasn't the Coen brothers' intent, it was the intent of the guy who wrote the book that the movie is based on. But there's more to it than that. I think the book explains the sense of randomness associated with the bad and evil of the story a little better than the movie. Sure, I can understand how one would want the movie to offer a clearer sense of motive and storyline, but this movie deliberately blurs that notion. Sometimes life's events are random and unsatisfying, and Tommy Lee Jones' character ponders that issue.
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« Reply #619 on: Jun 26th, 2015, 3:05pm »

on Jun 26th, 2015, 12:35pm, HENRY wrote:
Well, it wasn't the Coen brothers' intent, it was the intent of the guy who wrote the book that the movie is based on. But there's more to it than that. I think the book explains the sense of randomness associated with the bad and evil of the story a little better than the movie. Sure, I can understand how one would want the movie to offer a clearer sense of motive and storyline, but this movie deliberately blurs that notion. Sometimes life's events are random and unsatisfying, and Tommy Lee Jones' character ponders that issue.

Yup, I think you and I had this discussion before. I do understand what you're saying, and I often tease my wife about her need for a nice, tidy ending in every movie she watches. I haven't read the book, and I'm not sure I want to... I was depressed for a month after finishing Cormac McCarthy's The Road. wink

I generally love Coen brothers' movies. The only thing that disappoints me more than this is when John Malkovich chases Richard Jenkins into the street and beats him to death with a hammer. I am not a fan of the murder of innocents being played for laughs.

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« Reply #620 on: Jun 26th, 2015, 3:39pm »

on Jun 26th, 2015, 3:05pm, Dust wrote:
I generally love Coen brothers' movies. The only thing that disappoints me more than this is when John Malkovich chases Richard Jenkins into the street and beats him to death with a hammer. I am not a fan of the murder of innocents being played for laughs.

Ooops, spoiler warning!

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For me, there seemed to be a sense of unpredictability about that film...strange twists, and ultimately no real winners. I liked it.

The one I have an issue with is Barton Fink. Coen brothers at their most pretentious.

Generally, the films that I tend to enjoy the most are the one that go from Point A to Point B without a lot of fanfare, and just tell a good story, or deal with genuinely interesting characters. Anything more beyond that is just gravy.
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« Reply #621 on: Jun 26th, 2015, 3:44pm »

on Jun 26th, 2015, 3:39pm, HENRY wrote:
For me, there seemed to be a sense of unpredictability about that film...strange twists, and ultimately no real winners. I liked it.

The one I have an issue with is Barton Fink. Coen brothers at their most pretentious.

I saw Barton Fink only once, and I really don't remember too much other than John Goodman and the flaming hallway.

Raising Arizona and Miller's Crossing are my favorites... for entirely different reasons, I suppose. smiley
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« Reply #622 on: Jun 26th, 2015, 3:56pm »

I had never seen Rebel Without A Cause until recently. It's been on my must-see list forever because it's considered an all-time classic film. I hated it. James Dean moaning and whining through the whole thing, and ultimately a tepid, uninteresting slog of a movie.

On the other hand, in the same week I watched On The Waterfront and Twelve Angry Men. Brilliant, timeless masterpieces. (I played Juror Number 4 in my junior high school production.) smiley
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« Reply #623 on: Jun 26th, 2015, 4:10pm »

on Jun 26th, 2015, 3:56pm, Dust wrote:
I had never seen Rebel Without A Cause until recently. It's been on my must-see list forever because it's considered an all-time classic film. I hated it. James Dean moaning and whining through the whole thing, and ultimately a tepid, uninteresting slog of a movie.

On the other hand, in the same week I watched On The Waterfront and Twelve Angry Men. Brilliant, timeless masterpieces. (I played Juror Number 4 in my junior high school production.) smiley


Yes, RWAC is difficult to watch. Some situations onscreen tend to make the viewer uncomfortable. We live about 60 miles from the Griffith observatory where some of the scenes were filmed, including the knife fight.
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« Reply #624 on: Jun 26th, 2015, 6:07pm »

on Jun 26th, 2015, 3:56pm, Dust wrote:
I had never seen Rebel Without A Cause until recently. It's been on my must-see list forever because it's considered an all-time classic film. I hated it. James Dean moaning and whining through the whole thing, and ultimately a tepid, uninteresting slog of a movie.

On the other hand, in the same week I watched On The Waterfront and Twelve Angry Men. Brilliant, timeless masterpieces. (I played Juror Number 4 in my junior high school production.) smiley


I loved Twelve Angry Men. Themes from the movie still hold true today as much as they did in the fifties..

Love most of the Coen Brothers movies too. I understand the points made about their style either being loved or loathed though.

Can't stand Tim Burton movies, really annoy me tbh..
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« Reply #625 on: Jun 26th, 2015, 7:18pm »

Some of the classic movies from the late 50s thru the 60s have been playing in my mind lately.

I remember seeing some of these at the drive-in theater with my parents and younger brother when I was just a kid.

Sand Pebbles - (1966) [drama/adventure] Starring Steve McQueen, Richard Attenborough, Candace Bergen. Basic Plot - McQueen aboard the gunboat U.S.S. San Pablo, assigned to patrol a tributary of the Yangtze River in the middle of exploited and revolution-torn 1926 China.

Bridge On The River Kwai (1957) [drama/adventure] - Starring William Holden and Alec Guinness. Basic Plot - After settling his differences with a Japanese PoW camp commander, a British colonel co-operates to oversee his men's construction of a railway bridge for their captors - while oblivious to a plan by the Allies to destroy it.

The Music Man (1962) [musical/comedy] - Starring Robert Preston, Shirley Jones, Buddy Hackett, Ronnie Howard. Basic Plot - A con man comes to a Midwestern town with a scam using a boy's marching band program, but things don't go according to plan.


Anyone have fond memories of movies you haven't seen in a long time?
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« Reply #626 on: Jun 27th, 2015, 12:11am »

on Jun 26th, 2015, 3:56pm, Dust wrote:
I had never seen Rebel Without A Cause until recently. It's been on my must-see list forever because it's considered an all-time classic film. I hated it. James Dean moaning and whining through the whole thing, and ultimately a tepid, uninteresting slog of a movie.

I can't remember how long it's been since I've seen this movie, so I'm hesitant to offer any specific assessment, but it certainly was a significant film for its time. 1955 was in the middle of a period that defined the emergence of the modern teen, at least in popular culture. Rebel was about a young guy struggling with self identity and his place in the world, in a relatively blunt way. Maybe it isn't a distinctly well crafted film, but I can imagine a lot of young adults and teens responding to the theme and its main character. Top that off with Dean's premature death and you have a recipe for an established legend. I thought James Dean was quite good in the role, and there was certainly a lot of promise associated with him as an actor.

Anyway, I think this movie is a bit of a time capsule, and a keen representation of its time and audience. Did I mention I like Spielberg's 1941?

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Twelve Angry Men. Brilliant, timeless masterpieces. (I played Juror Number 4 in my junior high school production.) smiley

So then, no bias there... grin

Well, Twelve Angry Men is an incredibly well written play, and the movie cast was a who's who of great actors. I'd be worried about you if you had been disappointed. cheesy
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« Reply #627 on: Jun 27th, 2015, 12:19am »

on Jun 26th, 2015, 6:07pm, Andrew Yild4Genesis wrote:
Can't stand Tim Burton movies, really annoy me tbh..

Although I can't say I've seen most of them, the ones I have seen I like enough that I do want to see more of his work. I guess it's another one of those perceptions of style.
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« Reply #628 on: Jun 27th, 2015, 1:34pm »

on Jun 26th, 2015, 08:25am, Dust wrote:
One hugely-acclaimed film that gets me into arguments is No Country For Old Men. (Spoilers ahead.) I enjoyed the film and thought much of it was outstanding. I cannot, however, get past the anti-climactic narrative of the Josh Brolin character. Here's a movie that spends ninety minutes on a gripping cat-and-mouse struggle between hero and villain, and then just casually informs us, "Oh by the way, that guy we've been watching on the edge of seats was killed by some other guys. Story over."



Same here. Great film.......but I had to double check that Llewelyn was actually killed at the El Paso Motel. Weird twist that made no sense.

No film score made for a great atmosphere.
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« Reply #629 on: Jun 27th, 2015, 2:12pm »

on Jun 26th, 2015, 08:25am, Dust wrote:
I agree with you about Lynch. Film critics tend to adore filmmakers who are different. I'll admit that Lynch does a better job than most with "disturbing" scenes, but that doesn't make him a great director. I'm not a big fan of Tim Burton, and while I like a lot of Tarantino, I am often turned-off when a filmmaker can almost be seen pretentiously smirking at the audience and saying, "See what I did there? Aren't I clever?" I generally love Scorcese, but I think his last one, The Wolf of Wall Street was gratuitously over the top.


I quite like Tim Burton, he has a unique "vision" but as time has progressed, it does tend to become the same "vision" again!

Tarantino is a pet hate of mine. The same gratuitous blood and gore fest peddled over and over again in a series of alternate settings. And he gets hailed by critics as a genius! When he has made a series of films as varied and genuinely brilliant as Alfred Hitchcock, I may be inclined to agree.
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