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xx Re: The thread of complete randomness
« Reply #2502 on: Mar 6th, 2014, 4:16pm »

on Mar 6th, 2014, 2:36pm, Lily wrote:
Have you tired the japanese ones? I was amazed, they taste like buttery potatoes without anything on them.

I'll give them a try. smiley
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« Reply #2503 on: Mar 6th, 2014, 5:22pm »

on Mar 6th, 2014, 4:16pm, Dust wrote:
I'll give them a try. smiley


Worth a shot. Bake in over for a couple of hours (they are usually quite big) and bingo, deliciousness!
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« Reply #2504 on: Mar 6th, 2014, 5:53pm »

on Mar 5th, 2014, 02:18am, YildtheTosser wrote:
What concerns me even less is in the case of artists like the band this site is all about where (I would say the blame almost entirely lies with the management group) through nothing more than money grabbing exercises, releases and re releases the same music to the fans over and over. Case in point, I bought all the albums on vinyl, then cd was released, "great" I thought "This is the way of the future" and promptly sold all the vinyl(now regretted) and bought all the CDs. 1994 rolls around and now the CDs have been "remastered" bought them all again. Now it's 2007,box sets and remastered again and DVD extras! Plus a small tour where the concerts are released on cd(even though the setlist is basically the same every night) But wait,there's more! Now the SAME albums are being released yet again on Bluray!

Well, I disagree with a lot of what you are saying here, for a number of reasons.

First off, a band/artist is thoroughly entitled to handle their own material in any way they wish, whether to distribute it or not, in whatever format they decide, and as often as they like, just as you are entitled to choose whether to purchase it or not. In fact, neither you nor anyone else is compelled to buy whatever is released for sale, and to simply find fault with a band/artist in their efforts to earn a living seems misplaced.

Furthermore, in this particular case, compared to many other bands, Genesis hasn't overstepped their right to resell their material by any reasonable margin. I'd say they've been fairly conservative.

Early CD releases for many artists were haphazard, with varying quality and availability, largely the result of trying to fulfill a fast growing demand and questionable production. Clamoring for remasters was a routine chant in the fandom and many artists complied with those wishes. The 1994 DE remasters were simply the band standardizing their catalogue just as many others were doing at the time. It was 13 years later when they started releasing the box sets, but those weren't simple re-releases of the old remasters, they were different mixes, in HD and 5.1 audio, along with bonus material, and many fans were quite happy that these releases were being offered. Now, whether or not one thinks that the results were successful is another matter. But you can't blame them for a rehash of something that was already available.

And you can't blame them for releasing material as formats change anymore than you can be blamed for getting rid of your LPs, because no one has the ability to foresee such changes in the industry, and all anyone can do is respond to the circumstances and the demands of the present.

The blu-ray releases are an initiative of Universal, which is being done for various other artists as well, and there is no indication that the whole catalogue is be re-released in this way.

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On another level PG finally releases his Athens concert on DVD after all these years with the promise it won't be released on Bluray so I go out and buy it and now, guess what? It's released on Bluray as well! Now you may say no one is forcing you to buy them-correct! But meanwhile back in 2007 (when the remastered remaster came out) we were promised that the old board tapes that were being digitised would be released to the fans. Seven years later still nothing.

Where did this promise of no blu-ray come from? PG himself? His management? The production and distribution company?
When was this promise made?
When the So box set was being released and I found out that Live In Athens was only DVD I simply waited for the blu-ray assuming that it would eventually be released because Secret World had already been out in that format. But it's not the end of the world when you consider that all physical formats are eventually going to die a slow death.

The board tapes were never a definite promise. There was certainly talk of the possibility of their release, but it never really got beyond that stage.

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Meanwhile, Bruce Springsteen, who's concert setlist is completely different each night, releases each of his concerts in FLAC for $17.00 or even less for mp3.

I don't condone piracy but neither do I condone the continual gouging of fans of their hard earned cash for basically the same music that's has been around for over thirty years!

The comparison with Springsteen is a bit silly.

For one thing, Springsteen is a current working and touring artist who finally started doing this, and his approach to performing live is vastly different. And the fact is, downloads are much easier to execute today than five years ago. Yet, when Genesis makes all of their shows available from their last tour, you somehow see that as a problem... User Image
On top of that, you insist on release of the board tapes which would largely be made up of similar sets, yet here you are complaining that their set lists on that tour had no differences. Huh? huh

In any case, I'm not quite sure what all of this has to do with piracy, unless you are arguing that it's O.K. to rip off an artist if you believe that they aren't satisfying your expectations. Uh, sure, that works. rolleyes
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« Reply #2505 on: Mar 6th, 2014, 8:33pm »

on Mar 6th, 2014, 5:53pm, HENRY wrote:
Well, I disagree with a lot of what you are saying here, for a number of reasons.

First off, a band/artist is thoroughly entitled to handle their own material in any way they wish, whether to distribute it or not, in whatever format they decide, and as often as they like, just as you are entitled to choose whether to purchase it or not. In fact, neither you nor anyone else is compelled to buy whatever is released for sale, and to simply find fault with a band/artist in their efforts to earn a living seems misplaced.

Furthermore, in this particular case, compared to many other bands, Genesis hasn't overstepped their right to resell their material by any reasonable margin. I'd say they've been fairly conservative.

Early CD releases for many artists were haphazard, with varying quality and availability, largely the result of trying to fulfill a fast growing demand and questionable production. Clamoring for remasters was a routine chant in the fandom and many artists complied with those wishes. The 1994 DE remasters were simply the band standardizing their catalogue just as many others were doing at the time. It was 13 years later when they started releasing the box sets, but those weren't simple re-releases of the old remasters, they were different mixes, in HD and 5.1 audio, along with bonus material, and many fans were quite happy that these releases were being offered. Now, whether or not one thinks that the results were successful is another matter. But you can't blame them for a rehash of something that was already available.

And you can't blame them for releasing material as formats change anymore than you can be blamed for getting rid of your LPs, because no one has the ability to foresee such changes in the industry, and all anyone can do is respond to the circumstances and the demands of the present.

The blu-ray releases are an initiative of Universal, which is being done for various other artists as well, and there is no indication that the whole catalogue is be re-released in this way.


Where did this promise of no blu-ray come from? PG himself? His management? The production and distribution company?
When was this promise made?
When the So box set was being released and I found out that Live In Athens was only DVD I simply waited for the blu-ray assuming that it would eventually be released because Secret World had already been out in that format. But it's not the end of the world when you consider that all physical formats are eventually going to die a slow death.

The board tapes were never a definite promise. There was certainly talk of the possibility of their release, but it never really got beyond that stage.


The comparison with Springsteen is a bit silly.

For one thing, Springsteen is a current working and touring artist who finally started doing this, and his approach to performing live is vastly different. And the fact is, downloads are much easier to execute today than five years ago. Yet, when Genesis makes all of their shows available from their last tour, you somehow see that as a problem... User Image
On top of that, you insist on release of the board tapes which would largely be made up of similar sets, yet here you are complaining that their set lists on that tour had no differences. Huh? huh

In any case, I'm not quite sure what all of this has to do with piracy, unless you are arguing that it's O.K. to rip off an artist if you believe that they aren't satisfying your expectations. Uh, sure, that works. rolleyes


1. You're right, as I said no one is forcing me to buy them. And I will not. I was merely using it to highlight my point
2. The Bluray release of Athens or non release as it were was made at the time by management
3. The set lists for the board tapes may well be similar but at least there will be an OPTION to buy them. As MR said in an interview on the old forum "Let's get those board tapes out". I'm not saying it's a holy grail but as you pointed out with the pricing of direct downloads these days being what they are, profitability on the release is certainly more a attractive than it was in 2007
4. I fully agree with you on one thing. I was stupid to sell my vinyl
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« Reply #2506 on: Mar 6th, 2014, 8:47pm »

on Mar 6th, 2014, 8:33pm, YildtheTosser wrote:
1. You're right, as I said no one is forcing me to buy them. And I will not. I was merely using it to highlight my point
2. The Bluray release of Athens or non release as it were was made at the time by management
3. The set lists for the board tapes may well be similar but at least there will be an OPTION to buy them. As MR said in an interview on the old forum "Let's get those board tapes out". I'm not saying it's a holy grail but as you pointed out with the pricing of direct downloads these days being what they are, profitability on the release is certainly more a attractive than it was in 2007
4. I fully agree with you on one thing. I was stupid to sell my vinyl
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You were not foolish to sell your vinyl's as we never knew the direction sound developed!... wink smiley

This may be said for the developed formats we have.. Is it a money grabber?... I support the smaller artist rather then the bigger one! This is only my opinion!

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« Reply #2507 on: Mar 6th, 2014, 11:54pm »

on Mar 6th, 2014, 8:47pm, Noni wrote:
You were not foolish to sell your vinyl's as we never knew the direction sound developed!... wink smiley

This may be said for the developed formats we have.. Is it a money grabber?... I support the smaller artist rather then the bigger one! This is only my opinion!

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Unfortunately at the time in the eighties,I was the dreaded combination of being young,stupid and flush with money. Everyone thought at the time that CDs were going to revolutionalise the music industry sonically. Which they did to a point but nothing can compare with that warmth of sound you get from a good vinyl album. But that's the key, good vinyl album. W&W=good. I don't think the sound really is benefitted on an album like IT tough...
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« Reply #2508 on: Mar 7th, 2014, 05:05am »

After a long fight between a snake and a crocodile in northern Queensland, the snake won and ate the crocodile. shocked

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26413101
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« Reply #2509 on: Mar 7th, 2014, 05:55am »

on Mar 7th, 2014, 05:05am, Down And Out wrote:
After a long fight between a snake and a crocodile in northern Queensland, the snake won and ate the crocodile. shocked

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26413101


Meh!

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« Reply #2510 on: Mar 7th, 2014, 05:58am »

on Mar 7th, 2014, 05:55am, YildtheTosser wrote:
Meh!

Just another day down under...

Mind you, looking at the "after" picture, swallowed whole would be more appropriate than ate. grin
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« Reply #2511 on: Mar 7th, 2014, 11:06am »

on Mar 6th, 2014, 11:54pm, YildtheTosser wrote:
Unfortunately at the time in the eighties,I was the dreaded combination of being young,stupid and flush with money. Everyone thought at the time that CDs were going to revolutionalise the music industry sonically. Which they did to a point but nothing can compare with that warmth of sound you get from a good vinyl album. But that's the key, good vinyl album. W&W=good. I don't think the sound really is benefitted on an album like IT tough...


Personally, I don't miss the hisses or crackles associated with vinyls...... My ears have got used to digital formats. I believed too that cd's would revolutionalise the music industry, they are easier to store and don't get full of dust. grin
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« Reply #2512 on: Mar 7th, 2014, 11:09am »

on Mar 7th, 2014, 11:06am, Noni wrote:
I believed too that cd's would revolutionalise the music industry, they are easier to store and don't get full of dust. grin

Yeah, that pesky Dust gets everywhere! wink
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on Mar 7th, 2014, 11:28am, Dust wrote:
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« Reply #2515 on: Mar 8th, 2014, 02:20am »

Six Nations rugby returns today and tomorrow.
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« Reply #2516 on: Mar 8th, 2014, 08:46am »

on Mar 8th, 2014, 02:20am, Down And Out wrote:
Six Nations rugby returns today and tomorrow.


England play tomorrow. smiley

Formula 1, starts next week... Reliability and fuel will play a major factor which decides the winner.
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