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« Thread started on: Aug 21st, 2017, 11:23am »

Hey, I'm pretty new to Genesis and Gabriel.

I only heard car and us.

Really loved Car, a great album. Feels almost like it was by Genesis!

In the contrary, Us was a completely different and not really my cup of tea- the songs drag in my opinion, slow tempo and even there are some boring moments.

Any recommendations of Gabriel catalog that are similar to the 1st album car?

Also, if you had 2 categories: Car and Us, where would you put the other Gabriel albums? ( it will help me know better which albums I would like better).

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PS: only been listening to US couple of times so maybe it will get better..
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« Reply #1 on: Aug 21st, 2017, 12:04pm »

The wonderful thing about Gabriel is how much he changed from album to album. So there aren't simply two categories to slot his albums into. Car is pretty much the only album that sounded like that. Scratch is edgier, leaner, with both a punk and a minimalist influence. Melt is different again. So you might best just listen to them chronologically and see how he evolved artistically from album to album.
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« Reply #2 on: Aug 21st, 2017, 2:52pm »

Itís worth checking out everything he did before Us as they all have some great tracks you really like but also some you donít much care for. Except side 1 of Car, which is all great. His best album IMO.

Us may sound particularly underwhelming because the best tracks on it are so much better live, especially Secret World. Whereas Car is the opposite.
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« Reply #3 on: Aug 21st, 2017, 5:15pm »

I will always recommend So & Melt to anyone. Melt if you prefer it to be less 'commercial'.
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« Reply #4 on: Aug 22nd, 2017, 11:48am »

on Aug 21st, 2017, 12:04pm, Dr. John wrote:
The wonderful thing about Gabriel is how much he changed from album to album. So there aren't simply two categories to slot his albums into. Car is pretty much the only album that sounded like that. Scratch is edgier, leaner, with both a punk and a minimalist influence. Melt is different again. So you might best just listen to them chronologically and see how he evolved artistically from album to album.


In my opinion, this is the best answer you can get (not that the others aren't). Personally though, my favorite albums were Melt, Security, and So.
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« Reply #5 on: Aug 22nd, 2017, 11:57am »

on Aug 22nd, 2017, 11:48am, rael1974 wrote:
... my favorite albums were Melt, Security, and So.


Also my favourites.
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« Reply #6 on: Aug 30th, 2017, 3:22pm »

3, 4 and Up are my favourites, but I have affection for 1 and especially 2. Some of the soundtrack work is good, for me Passion in particular.

1 sounds like Genesis? Hmmm... I don't really agree, although the second part of Humdrum is the most obviously Genesisy bit, with those big bright chords. But you'd think the one album that might sound like them is his first one after leaving them. The only other track in his entire output that reminds me a bit of Genesis is Downside Up.

Rico, if out of those two you heard 1 was the best, for your PG journey I'd certainly give 2 a go. As already said, it's edgier, leaner and with a more new-wave feel, all good things for me but offputting for some. Even then, that description still isn't entirely accurate as there's more light and shade than it suggests.

If that goes well with you, take a deep breath and explore 3. It's one of the biggest changes in style between albums of any artist I've heard, but it's quite a ride. After that I'd go to So, then 4 and Up, then the soundtracks.

I agree that Us isn't too good, it might be my least favourite PG album in fact.

Happy PG listening. Keep us posted on how it's going!
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« Reply #7 on: Aug 30th, 2017, 3:26pm »

Oh and by the way, you might consider checking out individual tracks - in the Top 10 thread some members posted their PG top 10s: http://genesisgts.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=PGsolo&action=display&num=1474700181

Here's mine, originally in date order in that thread but rearranged here to my preferred playlist order:

No Self Control
Across the River
The Washing Of The Water
Red Rain
Mother of Violence
Humdrum
Signal To Noise
Wallflower
Intruder
San Jacinto





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« Reply #8 on: Aug 30th, 2017, 5:49pm »

Heck, I would give them all a try. They are not so many after all and you have already listened to 2 of them.
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« Reply #9 on: Sep 12th, 2017, 06:55am »

As others have said, Gabriel's albums varied with each release although there is progression from one to the next based around the writing tools and technology he had available.

Starting with your comparison between Car and Us, suggests to me that you prefer the more commercial productions. Melt and So are closest in spirit to that commercial sound - but bear in mind these sound nothing like each other. Melt is strongly centred around rhythm both in terms of the compositional process and the overall sound of the record (prominence given to the drums on several tracks). So started off with rhythm as the centre of the compositional process but relies more on the overall spread of instruments for its personality. For instance, Mercy Street has an insistent rhythm (courtesy of the sound of a triangle) but very little drums to the forefront of the mix.

Security is his best album in my opinion but will require you to play it more than a couple of times (as does Us to be fair). Although the Fairlight made its first appearance on Melt (in the context of Gabriel albums) it defines the sound of Security far more giving this album in particular a sound all of its own. There hasn't been a record made since then where you can point to Security as an influence. A stunning achievement in my view.

Scratch is not an easy listen and won't reward you in quite the same way - here Gabriel surrendered too much artistic control to Robert Fripp and while the results in 1978 appealed to me and plenty of others (it got great reviews in the UK) its charm has diminished with time, especially the second side of the original vinyl. I still prefer it to many albums made in 1978 (such as ATTWT) but by Gabriel's standards it falls somewhat short these days.

That leaves Up for the main song based albums - this is a densely produced album and will require you to persevere as I've suggested you do with Us. Some of the material was "too long in the oven" but overall its a strong album for someone who had been making music professionally for over 30 years by the time it came out. There are no obvious hits on it but it has much to recommend it all the same.

I'm going to assume that you'll have less interest in the four soundtracks (including Ovo) and the covers/orchestral projects he has delivered since 2010 but if you find yourself liking the main song based stuff then you should give the rest a shot too and don't forget the live albums which provide the listener with definitive versions of certain songs.

I hope that's of some help.

Mic

P.S. The objective when making Car was to sound as little like Genesis as possible so if you think this sounds like Genesis then I wonder what version of Genesis you mean? Moribund has a Genesis feel to it to my ears but that's about it. It was designed to highlight Gabriel's range of song writing (and influences) and therefore each song has a distinct style of its own.

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