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« Reply #105 on: May 13th, 2010, 1:38pm »

on May 6th, 2010, 2:37pm, NedFlanders wrote:
Creative if you want to run a razor across your wrists grin. Seriously, how can you produce a covers album with such morose material? The album cries out for an uptempo song. Yes, it has 2-3 nice tracks but I simply cannot stand Peter crucifying Mirrorball and Street Spirit.

Each to their own I guess but I want an album of new material from Peter - well overdue.

Personally I do not feel the material is the problem, there are of course songs I like more than others but there´s a fine selection on the record, catering for all tastes and there are originally uptempo songs but Peter seems to have grown a bit 'particular' about his music making. He cannot simply cover some songs, nope, he has to have a 'rule'.
The orchestra idea per se got me excited, I found the no drums, no bass idea a bit too radical, it was a risk and imo it didn´t pay off. I´d say something very trivial: it works OK on some songs , less on others and not at all on the remaining. I think we were all curious to hear how it would turn out because, knowing the songs and knowing the 'rule' in adavance, it seemed like impossible to pull off but being a fan I was ready to be amazed by Peter and I trusted he would come up with some brilliant, unheard of solution. To me he didn´t. There´s a reason why some of these songs are classics, actually many reasons, in most cases they were perfect or great the way they are, cover versions are always possible, a different angles is welcome but messing around too much with them turned them into something not as appealing. Simply slowing things down, and playing the intensity card works sometimes, not always, not a whole record.
I agree, his record is long overdue but his recent output: UP, OVO, Blig Blue Ball and this one doesn´t really set in an optimistic, anticipating mood.
Always willing and ready to be surprised by Peter though.
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« Reply #106 on: May 13th, 2010, 2:14pm »

on Apr 28th, 2010, 6:24pm, harolddemure wrote:
hey i foind it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RDweK9-j9w

very different. im not sure how i feel. would love to get this pair on a 7" though!



Oh dear ..... undecided ....but why murder the song this way ..... lipsrsealed
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« Reply #107 on: May 14th, 2010, 06:36am »

on May 13th, 2010, 2:14pm, Paloma wrote:
Oh dear ..... undecided ....but why murder the song this way ..... lipsrsealed

What song? What´s he singing anyway? And most importantly: what is the matter with himhuh cheesy
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« Reply #108 on: May 14th, 2010, 1:38pm »

on May 14th, 2010, 06:36am, Fabrizio wrote:
What song? What´s he singing anyway? And most importantly: what is the matter with himhuh cheesy


No idea, but I hope Peter doesn´t talk to him anymore after listening the cover.

( Se puede decir que ejecuta la canción, en el más amplio sentido del verbo ejecutar .... tongue cheesy cheesy )
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« Reply #109 on: May 14th, 2010, 7:41pm »

on May 13th, 2010, 1:38pm, Fabrizio wrote:
Personally I do not feel the material is the problem, there are of course songs I like more than others but there´s a fine selection on the record, catering for all tastes and there are originally uptempo songs but Peter seems to have grown a bit 'particular' about his music making. He cannot simply cover some songs, nope, he has to have a 'rule'.


But isn't that why PG has become such a respected artist, because he approaches his work in his own way? Simply covering songs is not what would interest him.

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The orchestra idea per se got me excited, I found the no drums, no bass idea a bit too radical, it was a risk and imo it didn´t pay off. I´d say something very trivial: it works OK on some songs , less on others and not at all on the remaining. I think we were all curious to hear how it would turn out because, knowing the songs and knowing the 'rule' in adavance, it seemed like impossible to pull off but being a fan I was ready to be amazed by Peter and I trusted he would come up with some brilliant, unheard of solution. To me he didn´t. There´s a reason why some of these songs are classics, actually many reasons, in most cases they were perfect or great the way they are, cover versions are always possible, a different angles is welcome but messing around too much with them turned them into something not as appealing. Simply slowing things down, and playing the intensity card works sometimes, not always, not a whole record.


The focus on this "rule" thing greatly misses what the actual concept of this work is about. Certainly the idea of "no drums, no guitars" was there at the onset, but for a distinct purpose, to draw attention to the songs and their lyrics. That eventually evolved into an orchestrated presentation. But this isn't just some hackneyed attempt to add strings to a pop/rock tune. These are full-fledged, dedicated orchestral arrangements, which do away with the usual rock rhythm section because a traditional orchestra simply doesn't have one.

There is nothing radical here. There was no attempt to be radical. Orchestrations of pop songs have been done for decades. Are you not just being over-expectant?

From my point of view, this is a collection of fascinating songs presented in a very intriguing manner, with terrific orchestral arrangements which starkly create the mood PG seems to be after. And that's the key to this entire work. Some may not care for this approach, which is fair enough. But that doesn't mean that this a poor effort. I think it's one of his best. He manages to convey his own interest in these songs to the listener. There is more here than just a bunch of slow songs.

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I agree, his record is long overdue but his recent output: UP, OVO, Blig Blue Ball and this one doesn´t really set in an optimistic, anticipating mood.
Always willing and ready to be surprised by Peter though.


I think all of these releases offer a lot of great music. If you don't care for it, it's certainly not a reflection on Peter Gabriel.
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« Reply #110 on: May 15th, 2010, 04:44am »

on May 13th, 2010, 2:14pm, Paloma wrote:
Oh dear ..... undecided ....but why murder the song this way ..... lipsrsealed


I think we should get Taggart or CSI in here as there is clearly a murder taking place. This is simply awful and another reason why I think Lou Reed (a very arrogant man btw) has been over-rated for decades.
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« Reply #111 on: May 28th, 2010, 06:54am »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmXs0kBnm9A

here is elbows cover of mercy street. sounds good to me(if fairly similar)!
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« Reply #112 on: Aug 25th, 2010, 09:05am »

I suppose in light of my views of Steve Hacketts' Out Of The Tunnels' Mouth, I should just come out and say that I think Scratch My Back is crap.

It's bad enough that PG keeps us waiting for original material, without dumping this load of self indulgence on us. I'm just glad I was loaned a copy, and didn't spend my hard-earned on it.

Feel free to bombard me with hate mail. It won't get answered.
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« Reply #113 on: Aug 25th, 2010, 3:50pm »

on Aug 25th, 2010, 09:05am, Tangent wrote:
I suppose in light of my views of Steve Hacketts' Out Of The Tunnels' Mouth, I should just come out and say that I think Scratch My Back is crap.

It's bad enough that PG keeps us waiting for original material, without dumping this load of self indulgence on us. I'm just glad I was loaned a copy, and didn't spend my hard-earned on it.

Feel free to bombard me with hate mail. It won't get answered.

I only gave it 4 listens and I reckon that will be it.
As usual with Peter I WANT to like what he does, it didn't use to be a problem before but now.....So I don't know about ´crap' but I do share some of your feelings about it and certainly I agree with the self-indulgence bit.
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« Reply #114 on: Aug 28th, 2010, 02:32am »

I would say that Scratch My Back is no more, or less, self-indulgent than, say, PG3. Artists do that; they indulge their imaginations and their creativity. They act to satisfy themselves. When they cater to the whims of others, they compromise their craft. But I would go further to suggest that genuine self-indulgence rejects any outside opinion or influence, and, in contrast, Scratch My Back offers much that is accessible.
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« Reply #115 on: Aug 28th, 2010, 04:40am »

I just think it's lazy. You can't really call it creative, as it uses other peoples' creativity. That is no different from your average covers band, as even they will have their own arrangements. It looks like PG has run out of ideas, and hasn't got any theme parks to design, monkeys to train, or meaningless Elders summits to attend. How much new, and original material has he performed on the recent tour?

As for PG3, that was all his own work, so it doesn't compare with SMB.
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« Reply #116 on: Aug 28th, 2010, 07:52am »

on Aug 28th, 2010, 04:40am, Tangent wrote:
I just think it's lazy. You can't really call it creative, as it uses other peoples' creativity. That is no different from your average covers band, as even they will have their own arrangements. It looks like PG has run out of ideas, and hasn't got any theme parks to design, monkeys to train, or meaningless Elders summits to attend. How much new, and original material has he performed on the recent tour?

As for PG3, that was all his own work, so it doesn't compare with SMB.

Hmmmm, no, personally I don't think that is the problem, apparently PG has no shortage of ideas/songs, whether they are good or less, I really don't know and based on my personal assesment of his late work I am beginning to doubt that. There is good music on Ovo, UP( For which he allegedly had over 100 songs to choose from) and the Big Blue Ball but spread over three albums. As for SMB I don't find the idea of a cover versions album lazy or self indulgent per se, the execution though, leaves a lot to be desired imo, as I wrote before, it looks like the only possible arrangement solution, for each different song, was slowing it down to a frontal lobotomy level. Hardly inventive and resourceful when you set a no drums, no bass rule. I don't take any pleasure in criticizing Peter, quite the contrary actually but everything he has done lately puzzled me and prompts me to think he has lost not only his edge but a great deal of interest towards making music.
I/O will be released when? And those song will be how old? UP didn't sound fresh at all and while I hope Peter will surprise me I have set my expectations really low.
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« Reply #117 on: Aug 28th, 2010, 3:25pm »

I like Scratch My Back but am as frustrated as most at waiting for new original material from Peter. I will soon be bald, not for genetic reasons, but because I have been tearing my hair out waiting for the great man to deliver I/O. wink
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« Reply #118 on: Aug 31st, 2010, 12:39pm »

on Aug 28th, 2010, 04:40am, Tangent wrote:
I just think it's lazy. You can't really call it creative, as it uses other peoples' creativity. That is no different from your average covers band, as even they will have their own arrangements. It looks like PG has run out of ideas, and hasn't got any theme parks to design, monkeys to train, or meaningless Elders summits to attend. How much new, and original material has he performed on the recent tour?

As for PG3, that was all his own work, so it doesn't compare with SMB.


One could easily come up with a very long list of artists who had undoubtedly respected careers and acknowledged creativity through their performances of material initially created by someone else. Simply writing music itself isn't anything special. It's the interpretation and performance that makes it what it is. In contrast, tribute bands completely mimic what someone has already created in its entirety. They don't bring anything new to the table. Big difference.

Maybe what PG doing now isn't what some people are expecting from him. But that's irrelevant. He's at a point in his career where he can do what he wishes, whenever he wishes. He's earned that level of freedom. Maybe SMB isn't to everyone's tastes. But I would argue that it's one of his most creative endeavours in a while.
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« Reply #119 on: Aug 31st, 2010, 2:26pm »

on Aug 31st, 2010, 12:39pm, HENRY wrote:
Maybe SMB isn't to everyone's tastes. But I would argue that it's one of his most creative endeavours in a while.


Well, if you consider what was his last creative endeavour, and how long ago it was, then maybe you're right. SMB is still a p!ss poor excuse for an album though.
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